VIP abuse or not?

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VIP abuse or not?

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One thing happened to me in-game today and i would like to know if this is VIP abuse or not

This is how it went
a VIP hiding in a tunnel, i used zombie madness to be able to infect that VIP. That VIP pushed me away and killed me when my zombie madness faded. So is this VIP abuse or not?

I won't say any names because i don't have any proof, but that's the problem. How am i supposed to get proof for something that doesn't even appear in the chat? I mean it doesn't appear in the chat when you get pushed

I know around the time when this happened if that will do anything
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I'd guess he had Double Damage from the Roll the Dice VIP option which is why it didn't show in the chat.

It is allowed and well within the VIP rules to answer your question. Also I'd recommend reading the VIP rules to know what they are allowed to do or not allowed to do here
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Maki wrote:I'd guess he had Double Damage from the Roll the Dice VIP option which is why it didn't show in the chat.

It is allowed and well within the VIP rules to answer your question. Also I'd recommend reading the VIP rules to know what they are allowed to do or not allowed to do here
Alright, thanks.
Seems weird that VIP's has been given the rights to cheat, tbh.
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Sino145 wrote:
Maki wrote:I'd guess he had Double Damage from the Roll the Dice VIP option which is why it didn't show in the chat.

It is allowed and well within the VIP rules to answer your question. Also I'd recommend reading the VIP rules to know what they are allowed to do or not allowed to do here
Alright, thanks.
Seems weird that VIP's has been given the rights to cheat, tbh.
It's not cheating. The double damage has a knockback that pushes you back when he shoots you. It's only one of the advantages you get when you buy VIP.
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Maki wrote:
Sino145 wrote:
Maki wrote:I'd guess he had Double Damage from the Roll the Dice VIP option which is why it didn't show in the chat.

It is allowed and well within the VIP rules to answer your question. Also I'd recommend reading the VIP rules to know what they are allowed to do or not allowed to do here
Alright, thanks.
Seems weird that VIP's has been given the rights to cheat, tbh.
It's not cheating. The double damage has a knockback that pushes you back when he shoots you. It's only one of the advantages you get when you buy VIP.
Well it might not be cheating, but i see it as cheating. Don't tell me pay-to-win isn't cheating. End of.
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Just because you see something as cheating doesn't mean it is unfortunately.
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Maki wrote:Just because you see something as cheating doesn't mean it is unfortunately.
I asked you if it was VIP abuse you said no, i said ok.

Pay-to-win is cheating in my eyes, i didn't say it has to be cheating because i see it so. Your logic is tragic.
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Hey Sino, it's unfortunate that this happened but as Maki said, it is not against the rules neither is it classified as cheating. The DD option is meant to give a nice, yet not too overpowering, advantage to the VIP in question. Pay-to-win can indeed be seen as cheating in some people's eyes yet there are more ways for a person to have VIP. Also, paying for your VIP does not mean an automatical win, neither is that the purpose of the VIP features. Anyhow, feel free to check it out :)

- You can ask for your 2 days free VIP trial here --> http://www.neondragon.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15162 , you do not have to pay, just check the rules, add your ID + say you agree to the rules and you are free to use VIP for 2 days to check whether you like it or not.

- There is a Monthly Toplist that gets reset every first of the month. By becoming nr #1 on the last day of the month, you will earn yourself 2 weeks of free VIP.

- We have /achievements. If you manage to unlock them all, apart from the last one (as that one needs to be unlocked manually), you will get 1 month of free VIP.

- Or, you can buy VIP here --> http://www.neondragon.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=39

There are a few more topics that might come in handy, especially for things such as ''whether something is allowed/not allowed'' etc. You can check them here;

- http://www.neondragon.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18184 = VIP Changelog and new Items
- http://www.neondragon.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11015 = All VIP rules
- http://www.neondragon.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=40 = Everything you need to know, all in 1 topic.

Also, if you need any help or guidance, or want to be able to directly contact a member you are free to add me, anytime!
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Juliet wrote:Hey Sino, it's unfortunate that this happened but as Maki said, it is not against the rules neither is it classified as cheating. The DD option is meant to give a nice, yet not too overpowering, advantage to the VIP in question. Pay-to-win can indeed be seen as cheating in some people's eyes yet there are more ways for a person to have VIP. Also, paying for your VIP does not mean an automatical win, neither is that the purpose of the VIP features. Anyhow, feel free to check it out :)

- You can ask for your 2 free VIP trial here --> http://www.neondragon.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15162 , you do not have to pay, just check the rules, add your ID + say you agree to the rules and you are free to use VIP for 2 days to check whether you like it or not.

- There is a Monthly Toplist that gets reset every first of the month. By becoming nr #1 on the last day of the month, you will earn yourself 2 weeks of free VIP.

- We have /achievements. If you manage to unlock them all, apart from the last one (as that one needs to be unlocked manually), you will get 1 month of free VIP.

- Or, you can buy VIP here --> http://www.neondragon.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=39

There are a few more topics that might come in handy, especially for things such as ''whether something is allowed/not allowed'' etc. You can check them here;

- http://www.neondragon.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18184 = VIP Changelog and new Items
- http://www.neondragon.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11015 = All VIP rules
- http://www.neondragon.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=40 = Everything you need to know, all in 1 topic.

Also, if you need any help or guidance, or want to be able to directly contact a member you are free to add me, anytime!
Thanks for the clear and good answer :)
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i think this has to be a rule tough, to not use double damage when someone used madnes. It's so unfair and a good way to make normal players dislike VIP's and maybe to never buy it themself.


Also they shouldn't be able to use a free antidote so much.
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elfen lied wrote:i think this has to be a rule tough, to not use double damage when someone used madnes. It's so unfair and a good way to make normal players dislike VIP's and maybe to never buy it themself.


Also they shouldn't be able to use a free antidote so much.
The biggest reason for people to use DD is to push the ones using madness away. It's like, the best thing there is when it comes to DD. So I don't think adding a rule for it will bring any good. As for the gun, there is a 20 minute cooldown on the free antidote gun, just so that other VIP's can use it as well. Not to mention that they have to wait 4 rounds before they can buy it. I personally think it's fine as it is.

You might want to try out VIP yourself? I've checked up your steam ID; STEAM_0:1:20522697 and compared it to the list of ID's to check whether you've tried your free VIP. You were not there so I can assume you haven't had it yet. If you are interested, feel free to check this topic out --> http://www.neondragon.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15162

Add your name, steam ID and say you agree to the rules, and you will be granted with the free 2-day VIP trial. And to make it easier, check the next 2 topics to get yourself into the VIP-world. It might open up some nice doors for you ;)

- http://www.neondragon.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18184 = VIP Changelog and new Items
- http://www.neondragon.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11015 = All VIP rules
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The biggest reason for people to use DD is to push the ones using madness away. It's like, the best thing there is when it comes to DD. So I don't think adding a rule for it will bring any good. As for the gun, there is a 20 minute cooldown on the free antidote gun, just so that other VIP's can use it as well. Not to mention that they have to wait 4 rounds before they can buy it. I personally think it's fine as it is.

You might want to try out VIP yourself? I've checked up your steam ID; STEAM_0:1:20522697 and compared it to the list of ID's to check whether you've tried your free VIP. You were not there so I can assume you haven't had it yet. If you are interested, feel free to check this topic out --> viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15162

the madness thing is basicly use it at your own risk because you know vip's have DD so that's fine with me if it's legal, but i wasn't talking about the antigun but about them having a free antidote, i see VIP's using a free antidote every 2-3 rounds or something + they have a free respawn to that they could use when they are still alive so it's a way to avoid getting infected to.

And about the free VIP i play the server for fun and VIP isn't doing it for me the only time i will try it is when it isn't so powerfull like it is now or to get that damn 250 frag achievement for that sweet sonic avatar :P
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VIPs don't have a free antidote? There is only a free antidote gun. So I think you are a bit confused :p

And as for the free trial, fair enough. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And in regards to the 250 frag achievement. Come play with me and I'll try to help you :)
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ingame i see this message: player has used an antidote |nd vip| so my guess is that it is because they are zombie and use the free respawn and when they are dead and use the free respawn different message pops up. if so i got confused sorry :p

but still when vips are human and use this free respawn (to get randomly spawned somewhere else) to avoid getting infected it's kind of a cheat in my opinion. They can use noclip if they wanna avoid getting infected .
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elfen lied wrote:ingame i see this message: player has used an antidote |nd vip| so my guess is that it is because they are zombie and use the free respawn and when they are dead and use the free respawn different message pops up. if so i got confused sorry :p

but still when vips are human and use this free respawn (to get randomly spawned somewhere else) to avoid getting infected it's kind of a cheat in my opinion. They can use noclip if they wanna avoid getting infected .
That's when they use the antidote gun.

VIP's respawn doesn't give you a 5seconds protection when you use it while alive, so you can instantly be infected and it heavily relies on luck, I personally don't mind it that much although I agree VIPs have a lot of options to stay alive and perhaps even too many of them.
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