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#181 Post Re: Assassins XII: Power Up! Isolate
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I kinda agree with Emziek, the most suspicious person for me is Rainboy and Lawliet. Thus, i think that Panda is villager so they "make" us believe that he is mafia (through support on him).

I don't actually think Rain is mafia though. There is 4 people that worked together to save a 5th while each mafia team only has 4 players each. Also the fact that Rain is being very open about doing it makes me believe hes village.

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#182 Post Re: Assassins XII: Power Up! Isolate
It's so hard to understand who's mafia. They are 8 and we are 7. I do believe that Rainbow is mafia so i'll go with it [vote Rainboy]. Rainbow =/= Rainboy, Fix'd

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#183 Post Re: Assassins XII: Power Up! Isolate
He could've just as easily tried to paint me as a lier, who is trying to steer shit up and get me lynched, but instead he went ahead and was completely honest about it.

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#184 Post Re: Assassins XII: Power Up! Isolate
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12:49 AM - Kaebbel: Its curious how the styx wagoon took off only 2 hours before the round end
12:49 AM - Kaebbel: and that Sweedy, first person to vote panda was shot


Shooting the first person to vote you (mafia), is rarely a thing in neonDragon WW. It's calling unattracted attention to you, as in: "Oh? Someone voted you? Explain why he's dead now." - Killing such a person would be ideal for the Mafia, but precisely because it's ideal, they rarely do it. With 4 members in the Mafia team, and looking at the current player list, I'd assume the players are experienced enough not to risk something like this. Unless this, of course, isn't reversed psychology to make me think this way. But I doubt it. I'm not denying Panda is Mafia. He could very well be. But he's not of the Mafia team who killed Sweedygonzales.

A thought that crossed my mind is that you, Emziek, may be on Mafia team X (with Panda either being Town or Mafia Y) and decided to shoot Sweedygonzales to frame Panda.

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#185 Post Re: Assassins XII: Power Up! Isolate
SiX wrote:
shoot Sweedygonzales to frame Panda.

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12:49 AM - Kaebbel: and that Sweedy, first person to vote panda was shot

My exact thought when I wrote this was that Panda was being setup.

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#186 Post Re: Assassins XII: Power Up! Isolate
Emziek wrote:
SiX wrote:
shoot Sweedygonzales to frame Panda.

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12:49 AM - Kaebbel: and that Sweedy, first person to vote panda was shot

My exact thought when I wrote this was that Panda was being setup.


It sounded more like you subtly tried to create a bandwagon.


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#187 Post Re: Assassins XII: Power Up! Isolate
You've proven once again that you completely misread the intentions of my posts. Just like last game.

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#188 Post Re: Assassins XII: Power Up! Isolate
Emziek wrote:
You've proven once again that you completely misread the intentions of my posts. Just like last game.


And you have proven once again that you create way too ambiguous posts.


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#189 Post Re: Assassins XII: Power Up! Isolate
SiX wrote:
Quote:
12:49 AM - Kaebbel: Its curious how the styx wagoon took off only 2 hours before the round end
12:49 AM - Kaebbel: and that Sweedy, first person to vote panda was shot


Shooting the first person to vote you (mafia), is rarely a thing in neonDragon WW. It's calling unattracted attention to you, as in: "Oh? Someone voted you? Explain why he's dead now." - Killing such a person would be ideal for the Mafia, but precisely because it's ideal, they rarely do it. With 4 members in the Mafia team, and looking at the current player list, I'd assume the players are experienced enough not to risk something like this. Unless this, of course, isn't reversed psychology to
make me think this way. But I doubt it. I'm not denying Panda is Mafia. He could very well be. But he's not of the Mafia team who killed Sweedygonzales.

A thought that crossed my mind is that you, Emziek, may be on Mafia team X (with Panda either being Town or Mafia Y) and decided to shoot Sweedygonzales to frame Panda.

[Vote Emziek]


This is far fetched and not much to go on, it could very easily be reverse psychology


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#190 Post Re: Assassins XII: Power Up! Isolate
About the last paragraph, could be true, maybe, but what makes U so sure emziek is mafia and not some other player who voted for Styx?


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#191 Post Re: Assassins XII: Power Up! Isolate
SiX wrote:
Emziek wrote:
You've proven once again that you completely misread the intentions of my posts. Just like last game.


And you have proven once again that you create way too ambiguous posts.

You're nitpicking details out of a quote taken out of context and you're also ignoring the later developments of the chat. I'm not being ambiguous, you're just being ignorant.

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#192 Post Re: Assassins XII: Power Up! Isolate
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About the last paragraph, could be true, maybe, but what makes U so sure emziek is mafia and not some other player who voted for Styx?


From experience I can tell that when someone's "framed", the culprit is often the first person to point it (the lead) out so that everybody else will also notice it. Ideally they ought to be waiting for someone else, an innocent person to notice it. But if nobody is noticing it, they themselves will be forced out of their comfort zone to point that one lead out. I've seen this so many times that I've made it a rule of thumb. Now, bear in mind that Emziek didn't go as far as to say this publicly. It was more of a subtle message meant only to be read by Rainboy, his conversation partner. The rest of us wouldn't have known of this, had he not revealed the chat logs.


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#193 Post Re: Assassins XII: Power Up! Isolate
Emziek wrote:
SiX wrote:
Emziek wrote:
You've proven once again that you completely misread the intentions of my posts. Just like last game.


And you have proven once again that you create way too ambiguous posts.

You're nitpicking details out of a quote taken out of context and you're also ignoring the later developments of the chat. I'm not being ambiguous, you're just being ignorant.


Quote:
12:49 AM - Kaebbel: Its curious how the styx wagoon took off only 2 hours before the round end
12:49 AM - Kaebbel: and that Sweedy, first person to vote panda was shot

12:50 AM - Rainboy: I tried to start it earlier, but I was at church.
12:50 AM - Rainboy: And it took Xen and Lawliet a bloody hour to write their posts.
12:50 AM - Rainboy: Which made it tighter than I really wanted.
12:50 AM - Rainboy: Not enough time for people to respond.
12:51 AM - Kaebbel: wut
12:51 AM - Kaebbel: You organized it?
12:51 AM - Rainboy: Numble and I did, yeah.
12:51 AM - Rainboy: I was uneasy with the panda lynch, for the reasons I stated.


What later development of the chat? Only the first 2 sentences has something of value in this case. What Rainboy says is that he organized the lynch on Styx (correct me if I'm wrong). It has nothing to do with Sweedy being shot for voting Panda. All Rainboy says is that he didn't feel comfortable lynching Panda.


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#194 Post Re: Assassins XII: Power Up! Isolate
Check the timestamps, it rails the conversation off in a different direction and I'm not given the opportunity to further elaborate on Sweedy & Panda. In fact I forgot all about it when Rainboy mentioned having organized the lynch as I thought he might have slipped up.

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#195 Post Re: Assassins XII: Power Up! Isolate
K0ntRa wrote:
Lawliet wrote:
K0ntRa wrote:
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K0ntRa wrote:
Rainboy wrote:
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What a bit suspect is for me is SiX voted on Panda.
Then Sweedy changed his vote from Kontra to Panda.
And now Kontra vote on Panda.
So that looks a bit for me that those 3 maybe play for the same team (mafia 1 or 2).
I don't know for which team Panda plays, maybe for mafia too but that bandwagon on him, with the spontanly vote change from Sweedy = Kontra --> Panda is suspicious for me and voting on him if he is new doesnt make really sense for me. Maybe he played some games like this in another place and not in nD. For me i can't say much to him e.g. he is new.

I would like to change my vote to one of those 3 and after i feel like they need to protect SiX wit that vote i go on with my vote on SiX. Also his Isolate shows 3 post at all too and he is mostly more active if he plays for village (just my thoughts). I think Panda deserves a chance to stay allive and i would like to read out a bit more of him in some posts. Be sure Panda my next vote goes on you next round if i don't hear more from you and your thoughts.

[vote SiX]


I thought SiX's post about being a bully and Kontra's argument for lynching a new player because he's new both seemed fishy, but I certainly wouldn't go around calling them mafia yet.


@Kontra - Lynching new players is bad both in a game sense and a meta game sense. On the meta side, lynching new players without cause serves to make the game elitist where the 'experienced' players control the game and kill off the new players so they can decide things amongst themselves. New players should be fostered and given chances to get better at the game. On the game side, new players are incredibly easy to read, in general, and when deciding who to lynch with no info (our standard R1 situation), it's usually best to lynch people you have a hard time reading. A new player will usually reveal whether he's mafia later in the game because of his inexperience.

In short, lynching new players is bad unless you have a good reason. FoS on you for that. Seems to me like a cop out; perhaps to save SiX as Leo said, or perhaps just because you haven't thought through the logic.


No new player is that bad (with the exception of Leo) that he will reveal himself accidentally.
Rainboy wrote:
it's usually best to lynch people you have a hard time reading.

And by that you mean people who can actually contribute something to the game? For instance, Panda has made only post since the start of the game, which consists of 2-3 words. SiX is an experienced player who will certainly discuss a lot.
It seems to me that you misunderstood me a bit, firstly I voted Panda because he is AFK, not new. Okay, I did write "new" as well, but I meant new as "noobish". The round ends soon and it's becoming clear that either Panda, SiX or WaywardVole is gonna be lynched. Either we vote out somebody who we cannot really expect to contribute a lot to the game - or a pro who will most likely talk a lot. I don't know about you, but I'd rather go with the first option. Rainboy, you have a valid point that Panda is easier to read etc..., but I personally prefer to keep someone active and experienced in the game.
We've gotta lynch somebody - lynching nobody is a bad idea since we wouldn't get any leads whatsoever on people if we would do so.
TL;DR, Somebody has to go, and I wouldn't mind if that somebody would be Panda who has made only one post since the start of the game.



"noobish" is not a reason... and I really doubt he's a mafia at this point.. because if he is then his teammates would've told him what to do to get out of this situation. your other reason was being afk.. I believe ARSENIC and styx have contributed nothing so far.. could you explain why it has to be panda. The guy got a cute avatar.. leave em alone...
[Vote K0ntra] :/

Once again, we had to lynch somebody, and I know that Panda isn't the only one who hasn't talked a lot, but I chose to vote him because I honestly doubt he would be active a lot in the future.


I understand your R1 lynch targets were the afks right ?

Yes, isolation.php?tid=26498&pid=8202


well this is interesting..

because last time you played your opinion about R1 lynch was:
K0ntRa wrote:

Voting out AFKs is a waste of lynch IMO. Plus, it's extremely risky (25% - 75%). I don't think I will vote for an AFK guy... ever.


This time however:
K0ntRa wrote:
*Sigh*
I'm not gonna be online 3-4 hours before round end, so I'll [vote Panda] now. The thing is, it's tied between SiX and Panda at the moment (Panda would be lynched anyway but still) and I doubt it will change significantly as the round ends soon. I'd prefer that Panda gets lynched because he is new (played only 1 game prior to this if I'm not mistaken) and has only 1 grp (game-related post) other than the first post [in]. We've gotta lynch somebody and better be an AFK guy then a pro and a nazi.

The problem about this game is that there's not 2 (main) teams as usual, instead there's 3 which makes it very tricky for the villies to spot voting patterns. Hypothetically, if Panda flipped mafia, we won't be able to trust people who voted him anything more than we trust them now. As far we know, they might be mafia too.


so..
[vote k0ntra] (unknown target)


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