1 year since the tragedy

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ShAl' D. wrote:
Shadi wrote:His ideas and goals weren't bad, it's mainly just the way he executed them.
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Niccolò Machiavelli was wrong : not every mean used to reach a goal is acceptable :-(
Shadi wrote:But he was stated mentally ill up until now, what's the change for?
Was he ? I never heard that coming from the mouth of a specialist, only coming from the medias, at least in France ! Seems that the medias screwed everything up again... This said, I think I understand the reasons why they decided to declare him "sane". What I don't get is his seemingly extremely LOW punishment... But seeing what Jellow wrote, it seems to not be THAT low, considering he will obviously still be a danger for society after 20 years of jail, therefore an extension of his penalty.
You can count on the fact that they wont release him if he has done sitting his 21 years, the verdict is actually a life-time verdict for him since society would lynch him when he gets released from the prison. Nomsupersaiyanascendedabovesupersaiyan1?.jpg
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ShAl' D. wrote:
Shadi wrote:His ideas and goals weren't bad, it's mainly just the way he executed them.
The road to Hell is paved with good wills.
Niccolò Machiavelli was wrong : not every mean used to reach a goal is acceptable :-(
Shadi wrote:But he was stated mentally ill up until now, what's the change for?
Was he ? I never heard that coming from the mouth of a specialist, only coming from the medias, at least in France ! Seems that the medias screwed everything up again... This said, I think I understand the reasons why they decided to declare him "sane". What I don't get is his seemingly extremely LOW punishment... But seeing what Jellow wrote, it seems to not be THAT low, considering he will obviously still be a danger for society after 20 years of jail, therefore an extension of his penalty.
I was pretty sure it was confirmed he was mentally ill and therefore not sent to Jail, I mean a year has passed already.. they must have found out earlier what their conclusion was; may it be correct or wrong.

In Norway I think that is the worst possible punishment; it's called "life-time" even though it's not really an entire life-time anymore as people become much, much older. (At least I assume they gave him life-time) Scandinavia are (too) soft with their punishments very often.
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They indeed said he was insane a year ago, but they changed their judgement because he stated himself that he is sane, and that he knew what he was doing (he did that on a later stadium, once he was entitled with the rights to fully tell the story himself, he even explained what he wanted to do but couldnt do due to ''time miss calculation''.

He got 21 years with an extended sentence of 5 years each following ''release''.
He will be 54 by the time the 21 years are over, they can send him away till he is 59, 64,69 etc etc...
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In my opinion (and I think this opinion is shared by quite a lot of people), this guy will never be harmless for people, therefore if I understood what you wrote, he will never be released ? If so, that's indeed an accurate punishment for these terrorist acts.
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ShAl' D. wrote:In my opinion (and I think this opinion is shared by quite a lot of people), this guy will never be harmless for people, therefore if I understood what you wrote, he will never be released ? If so, that's indeed an accurate punishment for these terrorist acts.
Don't forget that it's 20 years, so much can happen until then; the next generation will barely hear about it and maybe he will finally be able to admit his sins and try to compensate for what he did.
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R.I.P - He wasn't mentally sick, but it's not usually to does things like he did!
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This may seem out of place , but I myself sometimes feel like going into a huge crowd and shooting everyone in sight...

But in my case instead of innocent bystanders i want to shoot all the internet trolls and facebook attentionwhores
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Lien~ wrote:They indeed said he was insane a year ago, but they changed their judgement because he stated himself that he is sane, and that he knew what he was doing (he did that on a later stadium, once he was entitled with the rights to fully tell the story himself, he even explained what he wanted to do but couldnt do due to ''time miss calculation''.

He got 21 years with an extended sentence of 5 years each following ''release''.
He will be 54 by the time the 21 years are over, they can send him away till he is 59, 64,69 etc etc...
Yes they said that he was insane but that was only the first profilers. They had 3 after the first i think, and all of them said that he wasn't insane at the time of the killings.
I think that declaring him sane is for the best. People can finaly move on with their life and try to forget about the trial and murders even tho it is going to be forever in some peoples minds.
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2 Teams of experts had the mission to investigate weather he was mentally ill or not, both the teams had different opinions about it and they both had to proove their points. There is nothing called life-time in Norway, the hardest punishment is 21 years and something called "forvaring" in Norwegian (unsure what it is in English). Basically he will stay there for 21 years and get 5 years added on after 21 years have gone, and then they can keep on adding 5 years to he's punishment after the previous 5 years. I think it was the best punishment for him as there's nothing harder then what he got.

@Shadi
The next generation will for sure hear about it, at least here in Norway where this is the FIRST ever terrorist attack and was done by a Norwegian man himself, also the second worst serial-killer after Hitler.
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Sps wrote: @Shadi
The next generation will for sure hear about it, at least here in Norway where this is the FIRST ever terrorist attack and was done by a Norwegian man himself, also the second worst serial-killer after Hitler.
Now I can't speak and be 100% certain, but how many died around 100? How can he be worst? Do you forget people like Stalin? But yeah, good point with "first terrorist attack" but Norway is such a carefree country though (just like Denmark..)
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Sps wrote:[...] also the second worst serial-killer after Hitler.
???

Breivik wasn't a serial killer, but a mass murder, beeing directly responsible for the death of 77 people, and Hitler was a dictator beeing indirectly responsible for the death of millions. Two complete different cases, but either way, Breivik wasn't the "second worst" of anything (at least in terms of damage on an international level; as for Norway he is the one and only recorded rampage killer it seems, and thus, obviously the worst).
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Sps wrote:also the second worst serial-killer after Hitler.
Rofl this statement is so.... wtf...

BTW if you look in mati's wiki page, the list of rampage killers. He is one of the few who survived what he did. And he got the lowest punishment for doing it out of all. thats pretty weird...
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I keep wondering, what if it wasn't Breivik, a guy born in norwegian and raised, what if it would be a guy from The Middle East, Afghanistan or any other country, would he also be regarded as insane?

But come on, I mean this happend for more than one year ago and the news still keeps talking about it. Just the other day 300 people massacred in Syria and thats more then 3 times as much what breivik did. No moment of silence, No single damn given.
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Aurelius wrote:I keep wondering, what if it wasn't Breivik, a guy born in norwegian and raised, what if it would be a guy from The Middle East, Afghanistan or any other country, would he also be regarded as insane?

But come on, I mean this happend for more than one year ago and the news still keeps talking about it. Just the other day 300 people massacred in Syria and thats more then 3 times as much what breivik did. No moment of silence, No single damn given.
No but there would be discussion and more suspicion about terrorism.

Yes, I agree; this is an everyday thing in so many countries but the reason why it's special is because it's done single-handedly by a guy in a country that doesn't face this often, or I daresay never. Thus, it's more discussed than daily actions in other countries.

It seems like a western life is worth so much more. That is why I wrote on my profile "Dear America, your 9.11 is our 24/7" Those are very thoughtful words and might make some people wake up and realise what's going on out of their countries.
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