[Unofficial] Werewolf XX: A Simple Game? [GAME OVER]

[Maki]

maki mvp, definitely

[Numble]

What can I say... this could have still been won if people didn't really decide to betray. But oh well. 'twas but a waste of time.

EDIT: also.. a good example that Veteran players are not always the best. Because wars.

[Rainboy]

The Permamods have ruled this game unofficial due to unbalanced setup. I have removed the end command accordingly.

[cml]

The Permamods have ruled this game unofficial due to unbalanced setup. I have removed the end command accordingly.

As host, I apologise to the players for the wasted game. I had thought that I had balanced it better, but clearly not. See the notes in my end of game post for some ideas on how I should have changed the balance.

[Numble]

The Permamods have ruled this game unofficial due to unbalanced setup. I have removed the end command accordingly.

As host, I apologise to the players for the wasted game. I had thought that I had balanced it better, but clearly not. See the notes in my end of game post for some ideas on how I should have changed the balance.

Hey no worries 'bout it. What matters is that we enjoyed the game. Next time just ask for some help and/or public opinions.

[Emziek]

This was one of the first games in a while I enjoyed playing here on nD, I feel like most games are way to village friendly here. But I guess that is what's needed when half the people goes inactive and the other half fights among themselves from past grudges rather than trying to work togheter.

[Maki]

This was one of the first games in a while I enjoyed playing here on nD, I feel like most games are way to village friendly here. But I guess that is what's needed when half the people goes inactive and the other half fights among themselves from past grudges rather than trying to work togheter.

^ this.

And it's a shame a game that was actually very fun unlike many others and had activity from every player is deemed as unofficial. Oh well.

[cml]

Next time I host, I am planning on running an open setup so that people can check the balance before we start. Hopefully I will be able to keep the feel of this game while making it more balanced.

[GERTY]

Lynch Tally:
MMage - 4 - wertydoo, Emziek, Maki, ARSENIC
wertydoo - 2 - NumBle, MMage
Maki - 1 - Flath

Expected LHLV Lynch: MMage
Total: 7 living players.


Reverse Tally:
MMage: wertydoo
Maki: MMage
ARSENIC: MMage
Emziek: MMage
NumBle: wertydoo
wertydoo: NumBle -> MMage
Flath: Maki




Voting History:

Spoiler!

R2: Lynch Tally:
Rainboy - 4 - HATER, Flath, Maki, wertydoo
Flath - 2 - NumBle, ARSENIC
Emziek - 2 - Rainboy, MMage
No Vote - 1 - Emziek

Expected LHLV Lynch: Rainboy
Total: 7 living players.


Reverse Tally:
MMage: HATER -> Emziek
Maki: Rainboy
HATER: Rainboy
ARSENIC: Flath
NumBle: Rainboy -> Flath
Rainboy: Emziek
wertydoo: Emziek -> Rainboy
Flath: Rainboy


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R1: Lynch Tally:
Blaze - 4 - Rainboy, wertydoo, MMage, NumBle
Maki - 3 - Emziek, HATER, Maki
HATER - 1 - Ricky Rio
No Vote - 2 - ARSENIC, Flath

Expected LHLV Lynch: Blaze
Total: 9 living players.


Reverse Tally:
MMage: ARSENIC -> HATER -> Maki -> Blaze
Maki: Maki -> HATER -> Maki
HATER: Rainboy -> Maki
Emziek: Rainboy -> No Vote -> HATER -> No Vote -> Maki
Ricky Rio: HATER
NumBle: Blaze
Rainboy: MMage -> HATER -> Maki -> Blaze
wertydoo: Rainboy -> No Vote -> Blaze

Final Vote History:

Spoiler!

Rainboy: No Vote -> Blaze -> Incapacitated
MMage: No Vote -> Blaze -> Emziek
HATER: No Vote -> Maki -> Incapacitated
Flath: No Vote -> No Vote -> Rainboy
ARSENIC: No Vote -> No Vote -> Flath
Maki: No Vote -> Maki -> Rainboy
wertydoo: No Vote -> Blaze -> Rainboy
NumBle: No Vote -> Blaze -> Flath
Ricky Rio: No Vote -> Incapacitated -> Incapacitated
Blaze: No Vote -> Incapacitated -> Incapacitated
Emziek: No Vote -> Maki -> No Vote

Players:

Spoiler!

01: Rainboy - Lynched (villager) R2
02: MMage - Survived R2
03: HATER - Poisoned(villager) R2
04: Flath
05: ARSENIC
06: Maki - Survived R0 kill due to host R0
07: wertydoo
08: NumBle
09: Ricky Rio - Shot (villager) R1
10: Blaze - Lynched (villager) R1
11: Emziek

Phase: R3 Day
Rules Thread

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[wertydoo]

Gerty you're late...

[HATER]

This was one of the first games in a while I enjoyed playing here on nD, I feel like most games are way to village friendly here. But I guess that is what's needed when half the people goes inactive and the other half fights among themselves from past grudges rather than trying to work togheter.

Say what you will, but I can say for sure that my actions weren't based off grudges -- I saw that three people were hiding info and protecting each other. I figured I had the mafia from that....

Not saying what I did was the best or only course of action -- but it wasn't from any kind of grudge.



Also @Maki I wasn't here for the actual decision to be made, but I talked with Rain last night and said I would support him if he wanted to talk to cml and Shadi about making it unofficial. Here's why: If I understood the ruling correctly, the game was counted unofficial because it gave specific players a near-guaranteed win, and because it gave a team a massive advantage from the outset.

At risk of sounding like somebody from Rito explaining how ranked works, let's get technical here:

In ANY scenario, at least one of the lovers was 100% going to win, and in most scenarios (about 80%) the other would win too.

That confers an average of about 90% likeliness to win from the start -- in contrast, a balanced roleset keeps any given player's chance to win at around 1/(number of factions) %. If everyone's starting chances (due to the roleset) are roughly equal, that gives everyone a bit of a level playing field regardless of what side they end up aligned with, letting logical, persuasive, and investigative skill factor in to who wins the game.

The second point was that the sides were quite unbalanced.

If the village missed the first lynch (which it was quite likely to, given that there were 6 normal villagers and a Doc), it was pretty much compulsory for the Deputy to change sides-- thus making it a 4v5 by R2, with a subsequent near-guaranteed win. The village's most important PR has gone to the dark side, the mafia have two people with a shared tough, two peekers, a hitman, and another mafia with a tough.

The only power role the village has is...a Doc. And this is just R2.Pretty much a guaranteed win for the mafia, where the village only has a chance if the mafia screws up terribly.

Anyways, that's kind of what we covered before I hit the sack last night. Hope this sheds a little light on the situation.

EDIT: Also, much drama, very split thread.

Geez.


OT: Fun game, cml -- looking forward your next, man.

[Blaze]

This was one of the first games in a while I enjoyed playing here on nD, I feel like most games are way to village friendly here. But I guess that is what's needed when half the people goes inactive and the other half fights among themselves from past grudges rather than trying to work togheter.

Say what you will, but I can say for sure that my actions weren't based off grudges -- I saw that three people were hiding info and protecting each other. I figured I had the mafia from that....

Not saying what I did was the best or only course of action -- but it wasn't from any kind of grudge.



Also @Maki I wasn't here for the actual decision to be made, but I talked with Rain last night and said I would support him if he wanted to talk to cml and Shadi about making it unofficial. Here's why: If I understood the ruling correctly, the game was counted unofficial because it gave specific players a near-guaranteed win, and because it gave a team a massive advantage from the outset.

At risk of sounding like somebody from Rito explaining how ranked works, let's get technical here:

In ANY scenario, at least one of the lovers was 100% going to win, and in most scenarios (about 80%) the other would win too.

That confers an average of about 90% likeliness to win from the start -- in contrast, a balanced roleset keeps any given player's chance to win at around 1/(number of factions) %. If everyone's starting chances (due to the roleset) are roughly equal, that gives everyone a bit of a level playing field regardless of what side they end up aligned with, letting logical, persuasive, and investigative skill factor in to who wins the game.

The second point was that the sides were quite unbalanced.

If the village missed the first lynch (which it was quite likely to, given that there were 6 normal villagers and a Doc), it was pretty much compulsory for the Deputy to change sides-- thus making it a 4v5 by R2, with a subsequent near-guaranteed win. The village's most important PR has gone to the dark side, the mafia have two people with a shared tough, two peekers, a hitman, and another mafia with a tough.

The only power role the village has is...a Doc. And this is just R2.Pretty much a guaranteed win for the mafia, where the village only has a chance if the mafia screws up terribly.

Anyways, that's kind of what we covered before I hit the sack last night. Hope this sheds a little light on the situation.

EDIT: Also, much drama, very split thread.

Geez.


OT: Fun game, cml -- looking forward your next, man.

When i see hater post. I usually use google search bar and type my name (blaze) and if it comes up in haters post. i will read that section. if not. I never (90% of time) read his posts.

tl;dr

[Emziek]

When i see hater post. I usually use google search bar and type my name (blaze) and if it comes up in haters post. i will read that section. if not. I never (90% of time) read his posts.

tl;dr

ctrl+f overrated?