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#1 Post Moderation style
I believe it would be a good idea if you, regulars, could voice your opinion regarding the moderation style for the future.
It still hasn't been possible to discuss as an admin team, but I think it would be a good idea to get your opinions on this too.

Remember that you can't complain afterwards, if you didn't share your opinion in the first place.

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#2 Post Re: Moderation style
I, for myself, think the best option is to restrict trolling/harassing/insulting and try to avoid them at any price, including being strict. If you allow the mentioned things with only slight warnings, there will be chaos everywhere. Players abusing the system, players complaining for undeserved warns/gags/bans and mostly unwanted hostility. I see gaps everywhere in the current moderation style of your respected clan nD, but I'm sure no one is to blame for that. Trolls will never change, they will keep doing what they want and to achieve their goal, which is having fun at cost of other players.

I come from a clan named LgK, I know most of you have heard of it and how bad reputed it is by the actions of its former staff. And trust me telling this, if you allow players being moderated softly, it will just end up being the same. I'm trying to fix the said reputation, but saying is easier that doing. This is truly an important decision, if you don't choose correctly I'm sure there will be some consequences which will follow.

This is only my opinion on the matter, I'm sure you are experienced enough to pick the right choice.


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#3 Post Re: Moderation style
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I, for myself, think the best option is to restrict trolling/harassing/insulting and try to avoid them at any price, including being strict. If you allow the mentioned things with only slight warnings, there will be chaos everywhere. Players abusing the system, players complaining for undeserved warns/gags/bans and mostly unwanted hostility. I see gaps everywhere in the current moderation style of your respected clan nD, but I'm sure no one is to blame for that. Trolls will never change, they will keep doing what they want and to achieve their goal, which is having fun at cost of other players.

I come from a clan named LgK, I know most of you have heard of it and how bad reputed it is by the actions of its former staff. And trust me telling this, if you allow players being moderated softly, it will just end up being the same. I'm trying to fix the said reputation, but saying is easier that doing. This is truly an important decision, if you don't choose correctly I'm sure there will be some consequences which will follow.

This is only my opinion on the matter, I'm sure you are experienced enough to pick the right choice.


I actually see it like you. Because like in real life if you are willing to give someone your hand they gonna grab your arm. Staff has kinda a police function and also an educating function towards kids from time to time. I know we are not their parents in this case but we as nD try to represent an outsanding community. I had a lot of regulars replying to me on steam with words like "you are the best member bcs you take actions against the rulebreakers". I did not want to hear things like "you're the best" but the feedback that players would enjoy a JB more if the focus would be on the game and not about harassing eachother or being in need of a bad language as for "cunt" "smd" kys" and so much more. It ruins the good atmosphere in my opinion and we never had the need to go this way. Once you start saying it's normal nowadays or saying it's the new generation you gotta have to moderate way more harassive/toxic humans than before and you can't even know anymore where the insult is and where not. I prefer being strict since it sets a sign of "until here and not further". The more you let slip the more you will lose control and at one point the trolls will takeover the server. It also depends on how often and how toxic someone is. Even repeating a word like "ez" 50 times can be very provocative too and will make others be annoyed and afterwards just mad.

The abuser/toxic/harassive guys will anyways try out where the limit is and if you don't set a line where to stop you give them too much freedom at this point.

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I for myself just think we did allow way too much toxicity and often if someone is using a bad language it ends up having an not enjoyable atmosphere anymore. Kidds even learn in our servers how to behave very bad and sometimes I'm scared if they would act like that in reality in front of their teacher or even parents aswell. Would be ashamed to know it is bcs of our community.

A bad example would be maybe: if someone steals money he can't say it was just 50cents.

@Shadi yes im sorry another textwall ;) you know me once I start I don't find an end anymore :P

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#4 Post Re: Moderation style
I don't really think the rules we have should change. I just think people should follow them instead of neglecting them like we are now.
People are meant to be warned for harassing or using derogatory terms. Next member can check the person's history after a gag, has he been warned before he can then take appropriate action (upon next infraction.)


Long-term trolls that keep on borderline bahaviour don't need to do strike-worthy things to get banned but if you collect a long history of "almost strike-worthy" cases they will get banned.

Every member doesn't only read the guidelines we have in nD* Private but also make a post saying they have agreed to the moderation system.
I'll post a snippet of it and put it in a spoiler (from 2010 btw!)

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2.3: Insulting, Spamming, etc.

Personal insults against eachother
1. Warn both players to calm down and continue playing
2. Kick if they don't stop or use hard personal insults
3. Temporary ban if they continue

Racism
1. Explain the player that racism is not allowed on our servers
2. If he used severe racist insults, shows clear racism or doesn't stop after your warnings, temporary ban him

Insulted by regulars
1. Try ignoring it if it was just one time only, because backchatting usually makes things even worse
2. Kick if he keeps insulting you (or does it regulary)
3. If he comes back and still insults, temporary ban him

Advertising
1. Warn them not to advertise (Often it's an unwanted config script, try to help them to remove it)
2. If they continue and you assume it is an unwanted script, unbind them through ndmenu.
3. If they don't listen or still do it anyway, kick the player and try to talk to him again if he rejoins
4. If he comes back and still keeps advertising, temporary ban the player

Spamming the chat
1. Tell the player to stop it
2. If he doesn't stop kick him from the server
3. If he rejoins and still does it after a few (2 or 3) kicks, temporary ban him (a cooldown ban might be given)

Voicespamming trough the Mic
1. Warn him to stop it
2. Kick the player if he ignores your warnings
3. Temporary ban the player if needed (also here a cooldown ban might be enough)

Spamming bad music (most people on the server don't want to listen to)
1. When the people in the server are annoyed by it, tell him to stop with it
2. Kick the player if he doesn't stop
3. If he comes back and does it again, temporary ban the player (a cooldown ban can be considered)

Offensive sprays (Racism and/or Pornography)
1. Warn the player to not spray again (keep in mind that sometimes it is a bug and you get a wrong spray)
2. Kick the player if he doesn't respond and still continues using it
3. Temporary ban him if he still sprays after rejoining


Problem is this is not followed AT ALL, it's either ignored or people are way too lax with 20 unnecessary warnings.


We have another rule as well:

"We have taken in consideration what can be done with these people known as borderline trolls that take it to the utmost limit without crossing the ban border. We have therefore decided that the known ones can be reported with insufficient proof. The admin team will take a decision together and may ban despite lack of proof due to a history of continuous bad behaviour"


TL;DR
Do what you agreed to do as a member, and things should look brighter imo.

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#5 Post Re: Moderation style
Honestly, I don't mind at all as it has been lately! I've been warned once yesterday (1st warning in like almost year or bit less) but that's about it, I like it when people are allowed to goofball around a lil bit (we don't want to get bored early, you know), it's funny!
Well then again, I haven't been harsh-ed upon yet so I guess others have different POV's about it.

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#6 Post Re: Moderation style
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Honestly, I don't mind at all as it has been lately! I've been warned once yesterday (1st warning in like almost year or bit less) but that's about it, I like it when people are allowed to goofball around a lil bit (we don't want to get bored early, you know), it's funny!
Well then again, I haven't been harsh-ed upon yet so I guess others have different POV's about it.


The thing is Hunie it's even more sad to hear that all the fun is about being toxic or with insulting or harassing. I definitely remeber super great days where we never had the need of any bad language. It was about the game and general fun. It also kinda depends on what kind of words you use and how often and how long. Even your old nD youtube videos which were very enjoyable can confirm what I say, where you barely find toxicity in it I'm sure.

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#7 Post Re: Moderation style
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Sayori wrote:
Honestly, I don't mind at all as it has been lately! I've been warned once yesterday (1st warning in like almost year or bit less) but that's about it, I like it when people are allowed to goofball around a lil bit (we don't want to get bored early, you know), it's funny!
Well then again, I haven't been harsh-ed upon yet so I guess others have different POV's about it.


The thing is Hunie it's even more sad to hear that all the fun is about being toxic or with insulting or harassing.

Indeedo! Welp, at least I saw none of the toxizees when I played last 3 days so def feels great to play JB again<3 <3 <3

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#8 Post Re: Moderation style
Sayori wrote:
ZeRo#1 wrote:
Sayori wrote:
Honestly, I don't mind at all as it has been lately! I've been warned once yesterday (1st warning in like almost year or bit less) but that's about it, I like it when people are allowed to goofball around a lil bit (we don't want to get bored early, you know), it's funny!
Well then again, I haven't been harsh-ed upon yet so I guess others have different POV's about it.


The thing is Hunie it's even more sad to hear that all the fun is about being toxic or with insulting or harassing.

Indeedo! Welp, at least I saw none of the toxizees when I played last 3 days so def feels great to play JB again<3 <3 <3


Couldn't agree more ;) (I kinda think it is we have mostly more staff online lately to control it or to stifle the germ in the origin)

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#9 Post Re: Moderation style
I think the current system that we have in nD private is fine, I think members just need to make a correct judgements on different things, e.g racism and harassment and two different things when it comes to moderation. Whether the members will follow what the advice has been given in private is up to them but I think they should use it as a guide to help them.


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#10 Post Re: Moderation style
the moderation style is good for now, but some members arent moderating their friends and warning them, i was about to make a topic about that but didnt want to be childish, but here it comes by Patrick. So basically it was map jb temple and there was hns, infinite was staying in the windows at the yard, there was 2 guys behind him shooting inside the gunroom one with scout and one with mp5, after i tried to kill a guy with scout and killed infinite mistakely in the head, then he slayed me and warned me after, then in the next day a guy named mowgli jungle, teamkilled 2 teammates with the car, i told infinite and baby to warn him but they didnt take actions towards him. All i wanna say is just to tell the members atleast read the chat, because some members doesnt even read the chat and does the work by theirself.

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#11 Post Re: Moderation style
Hum.

As Power<3D said, nd needs to improve the behavior moderation :
- Take care of trolling/harassing/insulting
- Improve or remove access of Bad cts (lame commanders, happy triggers, etc...)
- Being really strict with toxic players

We are lucky to have a really good community, with good rules and a lot of good people. But a few players are ruinning this server. A good exemple is Hamza : this guy always command lame's day, is always toxic, try to block, speak arabic on mic, etc... but is never punnished.

This is the most important part in a JB server : behavior.

Just work on this, in order to get back the nd spirit.

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#12 Post Re: Moderation style
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the moderation style is good for now, but some members arent moderating their friends and warning them, i was about to make a topic about that but didnt want to be childish, but here it comes by Patrick. So basically it was map jb temple and there was hns, infinite was staying in the windows at the yard, there was 2 guys behind him shooting inside the gunroom one with scout and one with mp5, after i tried to kill a guy with scout and killed infinite mistakely in the head, then he slayed me and warned me after, then in the next day a guy named mowgli jungle, teamkilled 2 teammates with the car, i told infinite and baby to warn him but they didnt take actions towards him. All i wanna say is just to tell the members atleast read the chat, because some members doesnt even read the chat and does the work by theirself.

You were standing on the healing pad wallbanging and i was not on the window i was between the windows and i get hs from you with awp i only slayed because you are wall banging carelessly on hns. That player teamkilled and he was a new player i assume because i never saw him on the server. Of course i wont do anything so i talked to him and he said it was an accident and wont do it again and he didnt so i think it is not nessesary to punish someone that did something wrong when he is new because it might give him a bad view of the server and never return. People make a mistake and learn from them, but if its repeated thats when i will punish them.

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#13 Post Re: Moderation style
i was standing on the healing pad and you was standing on the windows watching us lets leave this lets go to teamkills yesterday a guy named thabit teamkilled 3guys and got 1hr ban by nallez mowgli jungle have like 300 or 400 hrs but thabit have like 50hours or something like that.

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#14 Post Re: Moderation style
stay on topic

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#15 Post Re: Moderation style
stay on topic


Exactly, or atleast come up with opinions without naming guys out.

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