Time to break down some posts.
Babe wrote:its not healthy when they start making shit up while the applicants have no way of defending themselves
Members are supposed to be ambassadors for nD and when a member is promoted they should be selfless and fair when voting. I know there is nothing to do against this if they aren't but they wouldn't have got membership if there weren't fair with what they do, but of course this does give the platform for people to scope others and make sure that others don't get membership but the same could be said for admins, since if one admin doesn't like a player, they can explain and say whatever they want about a player in order to sway the vote of other admins. NOT saying this happens but I'm giving an example. The neonDragon team is all about being able to trust the staff with being responsible and making mature decisions. Added more in the next paragraph
Decency wrote:who cares if the topic slightly sidetracks, it's still an important discussion.
Thragord wrote:- Unthoughtful member approvements.
I agree with that, it's the problem of inactive admins like Queen said. Inactive admins means that the votes on applications aren't based on enough evidence and careful observation of the applicant. This is a huge problem but as Ultor said(idk how you know), the reason why member voting is being reintroduced (at least a reason)is to make sure that even if there's inactive admins, the members are able to express their opinions on the applicants, as the member team is mostly active on the servers and have more than enough experience with the applicant to make a sensible vote. Members can of course reply in their application as to what they need to improve on and so, but making an official vote in private is something so vital to getting the right people member. Making the argument that members shouldn't be able to hide their vote doesn't make any sense, since admins can hide their votes as they please. The team needs to be one
+Voting in private means you don't lose friends and make enemies on the server(Be honest about someone without them knowing), sad to say this is the truth as it happens when some people just can't take the truth. Admins have had enough experience with that tbh and it's depressing, don't apply if you're not ready for criticism, because there always is something to improve on.
This is why I think the bar for applicants should be put much higher because members should be delegated to do more tasks and work for the community other than just moderating in game and CT applications. Of course there's strikelist handling and the sort but there's a lot of mistrust to give members powers to do more things, and the only way this can be fixed is by increasing the bar for applicants and making sure only the best of the best with the right dedication are allowed to get membership. With a decline on admin activity it really should be the members who are given more opportunities in order to show what they're capable of as a team, all they need is the go from the admins, because I know enough members willing to take over a lot of the forum tasks and moderating the forums.
Thragord wrote:so incompetent that he can't even take care of his own PC
Now I don't understand what this changes at all? I've broken so many PCs and laptops and being able to handle and take care of PCs has nothing to do with membership what-so-ever. Seems like you just dislike infinite with a post like that since the reasoning doesn't make any sense.
Thragord wrote:After my 1vs1 shitstorm with Henry, where a 1 week forum ban for me could have been just nice. But NOPE, THAT'S where I'm added to the bullshit moderated group.
I can't disagree with the admins for this. Of course none of us are sure as to when someone should be put in the moderated group but there's been countless situations where you've made useless and troll posts, and replying to topics being hateful and disrespectful. Of course you won't agree with it because from a first person view it looks like you're right and you're doing nothing wrong but you really need to look at your pasts post and look at how you present yourself on the forums. It may seem that sometimes your forum bans are stupid and have no reason, but you really need to see what you say sometimes and where you say it.
I can understand and agree with your point however, since the moderated group seems like a lazy excuse instead of moderating the players on the forums, rather than just punishing the players and issuing bans and strikes putting people in a moderating group just seems half arsed.
Thragord wrote:your community future vision is actually comparable to Hitler's in some ways
ok, you lost me there.