Shadi wrote:Yeah, there's a difference with influencing million of people's financial life in comparison (you said it yourself) to a few minutes of gametime. Plus the judgement system in Netherlands doesn't have to be coherent to nD's. Nor are we police to actually track and judge people for this.
You cant read between the lines. Neither can you understand the thin line between attacking a gaming site and creating such a succesfull attack. You clearly dont (want?) to see the impact a ddos has. And its not minutes of gaming time. the servers back then have been unstable for days
That was before we had protection to this level, now it hardly even happens.
To me it's not a thin line. This is the key factor Kwaakt.
We have different opinions, understand this. It's that simple. You think it should be longer and I don't agree, we don't have to agree. I am completely fine with you having your opinion I however struggle to see why you want me to have yours so hard.
I argue with you because you fail to see reason. You dont seem to understand why a year isnt that long for the actions you have done with a ddos. I dont understand how you can be so soft in such a short time period to someone that attacked the thing you are working so hard for.
Because I am a strong believer of second chances, and at the earliest convenience which I don't think is a year in these cases. I don't want potential good regulars to be removed for a year when they can provide support earlier than that. When it's easy to ban them once they commit an offence again.
Case 1: Regular hasn't learnt, ban him again. Basically nothing changed.
Case 2: Regular learnt, regular could be competent, regular can become admin(Maki)/member or a good regular
Case 2 will give us potential years of support, case 1 will give us 10 minutes of trouble where the rule breaker will end up losing, not us. To me, there's a clear weight issue in the decision.
Shadi wrote:I may have once in my admin career heard someone say "if i get banned for 6 months so what I will come back after" no most ppl think they're gonna be gone for good then.
I could see this argument if it was a month or so.. as I said our perspectives on times are different. I think we should just agree to disagree.
Im not going to agree to disagree. Thats not why I started this discussion. I started this discussion to at least try to convince you of an idea you have that might be wrong. But unfortunatly I get the feeling you arent sensitive to other ideas. +
Shadi wrote:Again, I haven't argued about which one is more severe.
Thats exactly where I want to argue about with you. You try not to state your opinion on this. Give me/us a some reasons why you think ddossing isnt so bad? Even not so bad a cheater gets a year, and a ddosser less. And motivate why you think a ddosser should be unbanned so fast. Because at this moment there starts to be an unfair difference between them.
I haven't avoided it, I just don't think it's what we are discussing.
I think cheating should be lower given how a lot of people commit to that mistake once, and can and are willing to learn from it. Once we spotted it and we can spot that they stopped, it's cool and they can then become a regular.
ddos I used to be more strict about, but eventually as I saw more and more cases being let go of easier and seen positive results of it I believe in the people more.
I think successful ddos attacks are worse than cheating, but I don't think any of them warrant to a year.
We need to stop putting things in boxes, just because someone is a cheater we have this guy stamped as a cheater for a year, regardless of who he is and what he can do - or what good he has done.