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#33 (ISO #1)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux)
[in]

In case you're wondering, I met HATER in the peanut gallery of the mafia championship, and he mentioned there being some spots to fill over here, so I thought I'd give it a try.

I normally play much slower-paced forum games over on Kongregate (which is a flash games portal), but I think I can adapt. Our delegate pretty much sucked in their championship game, unlike HATER, so don't expect my level of play to be that great, but eh, it's gonna be fun. 8-)

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#49 (ISO #2)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux)
hi

I don't know anyone so I randomized myself a readlist. Cruxell is now my towniest friend, and Patrick my scummiest enemy, until I change my mind evolve my reads. That killer owl is already starting to look evil to me.

Can someone explain to me if Ultor is scum trying to manipulate us, or village trying to manipulate mafia? Because it could be either; except for "spread your votes", which doesn't even apply this round, I think none of the advice is actually any good. *consults randomized read list* I have a town lean on Ultor, so he's clearly trying to manipulate the mafia. Well done, Sir!

Numble makes a good point, if you know who the other doc is, you can just protect them, and avoid an overdose that way. Unless the mafia also know, then that might be bad. So, ah, maybe not. *consults randomized read list* scummy advice, Numble, stop trying to get our doctors killed! no wait that was my own advice *consults randomized read list again* (why am I on my own read list? as scum?) clearly mendel is trying to confuse everyone here, do not listen to me

@wertydoo @HATER how do the r0 peeks work?
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Common R0 Peeks: Random Negative - Every player who can peek is given a random peek from all players who would return "No" or "Not X" other than the peeker.
The cop is an alignment cop, and they're village, so they're going to peek someone who is "NOT village", which means the 4 mafia, the SK, and the miller? And the Don/SK peeks "no role", which is a normal villager? Is that correct?

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#51 (ISO #3)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux)
So there's this discord convo (lightly edited by me for readability, go check it out in #general-and-memes if you don't believe me)
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[06:54] mendel: so how would "help the cop get in contact with proper villagers" work?
[06:54] Numble: by norm we allow people to speak in between them
[06:54] Numble: no need to be all public about it
[06:54] mendel: so I could be having this convo with you in private chat?
[06:55] Numble: yes.
[06:55] mendel: so cop makes a private discord channel and invites all townies = conftowncore
[06:56] mendel: game broken
[06:56] mendel: town wins
[06:56] Numble: not that easy
[06:56] Numble: i mean
[06:56] Numble: do you know who's town at this point?
[06:56] Numble: cuz I clearly dont.
[06:57] Numble: and mafia/sk can easilly pull a "i'm the cop" and the cop cannot counter claim cuz he could get shot, and there goes our chance to find the rest of the mafia and/sk
[06:58] Numble: not to mention the hidden modifiers too
[06:58] mendel: hidden modifier can't make someone look town who's not
[06:59] Numble: oh
[06:59] Numble: no godfather
[06:59] Numble: well that makes this a bit easier.
[06:59] Numble: still
[06:59] Numble: with the amount of power roles we have
[06:59] Numble: i dont think this is that easy.
[06:59] Numble: all it takes is a good manipulator

discuss
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#56 (ISO #4)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux)
My name isn't the problem, it's where you omit "except for" from the quote.
Mendel wrote:
Because it could be either; except for "spread your votes", which doesn't even apply this round, I think none of the advice is actually any good.

My use of "except" means I actually agreed with you that "spread your votes" is good. I have to admit that "addict hunting" is new to me, and it does look interesting, so thanks for explaining that. :clap:

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#70 (ISO #5)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
some more #general-and-memes discord
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[04:17] Blaze: What the fuck is wrong with u hater
[04:18] Blaze: I play oncw in 6 months and i gurrante i didnt get a cool role
[04:18] Blaze: But fucking ultor did prolly
[04:20] Blaze: I am a normal villager. I am a fucking normal villager since hater decides to be a dick to onw of this communitys most activw players. I can promis u ultor is a powerrole if he made me bormal villager. I will create my own game with strippers and hooker rolws and MORE fun gamwplay. Goodmoorning! @everyone
[04:20] Blaze: I dont feel so good
[04:20] Blaze: I need to rest

The 4:20 is just my local time.
this was on thursday
NOT edited for readability 'cos Blaze

Quote:
[19:23] Blaze: why do i feel like ure another ultor
[19:23] mendel: have you checked if I am one of his Alts?
[19:24] mendel: also, is that a compliment or an insult?
[19:24] HATER: who knows rn
[19:25] Blaze: i like u mendel
[19:25] Blaze: :heart:

and then the convo stopped dead

this morning, I am asking myself, are Blade and Ultor on the same team? and I don't know them, this could just be Blaze being Blaze (according to my random reads list, it should be)

but I've also been thinking about what Numble blew my mind with, and reading up on the last Defibrilation mafia (I only get halfway through because things like this pop up in my thoughts and make me think)(I did peek at the end tho)(and Numble really was the masterful manipulator he mentioned to me) and suddenly Blaze and Ultor being mafia together became a possibility that made sense to me

but does it make sense to anyone who actually knows them?

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@Numble : What was the last mafia you played or hosted that did have a godfather?

@Wertydoo : vote code fail, you have Draichrog voting Draichrog

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#73 (ISO #6)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
Ultor wrote:
Could you provide your full 'randomised' list?

Top is town, bottom is scum
Spoiler: show
4. Cruxell = K0ntRa
7. Romeo
3. Mystic
2. Blaze [baiting cop]

13. Emziek
14. Ultor [baiting doctor]
11. Thierry Henry#CR7
15. Wertydoo = Shaco Bell

10. Lawliet
5. JTc
6. Numble [master manipulator][signaling not doc, not mafia] the medic is allowed to protect themselves #41
1. Styx [grumpy]

16. Mendel
8. Katika AD
9. Draichrog
12. Patrick


I put the playerlist in random.org so that I could add some flavor to my posts, and also not see everyone as town (or as scum, I'm fairly paranoid) by default.

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#74 (ISO #7)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
@Ultor
I have no idea if Blaze would expose you that much, I don't know Blaze
which is why I'm asking publicly
you're not exactly trustworthy on that issue though

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#84 (ISO #8)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
wertydoo wrote:
Blaze would like everyone to know:
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It's going to be a boring year for Blaze apparently. :P

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#117 (ISO #9)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
Patrick wrote:
Guess there is no need to say

says there is no need to say, then says it anyway, how scummy is that?!?

also you said that Blaze hasn't contributed, but they got a wagon rolling on me
are you trying to sweep scum!Blaze under the radar?

(also you're the worst, according to my random list)
[Vote Patrick]

Code:
Cruxell - 1 - Patrick
Mendel - 2 - Blaze, Mystic
Draichrog - 2 - wertydoo, Lawliet
Patrick - 1 - Romeo, Mendel
wertydoo - 1 - Draichrog
No vote - 7 - Styx, Cruxell, JTc, Numble, Katika AD, Thierry Henry#CR7
Incapacitated - 2 - Ultor, Emziek

LHLV: Draichrog


do I need to change the order of the vote lines?

Styx's plan ftw if everyone gets off their asses, otherwise no go

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#129 (ISO #10)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
[unvote Patrick]
Ok, Patrick makes a good point. He's been active, and my reasoning is poor, so there is no point in me voting him. For now! I still have my eyes on you!
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Now, who are the scummiest players around? Nobody found my observations suspicious, so it probably isn't.

My random list says Draichrog is scummy, but he's been voted up already; Katika is next. Is that a Russian name? Is K. trying to hack the election lynch? While being silent and sneaky? I will not rest until the swamp is drained!
[Vote Katika AD]

Code:
Cruxell - 1 - Patrick
Mendel - 4 - Blaze, Mystic, JTc, Romeo
Draichrog - 2 - wertydoo, Lawliet
wertydoo - 1 - Draichrog
Thierry Henry#CR7 - 1- Cruxell
Katika AD - 1- Mendel
No vote - 5 - Styx, Numble, Katika AD, Thierry Henry#CR7
Incapacitated - 2 - Ultor, Emziek

(added Cruxell's vote)

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#133 (ISO #11)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
Blaze wrote:
yo so this guy votes patrick and unvotes him in 2 seconds and thats cool with y'all?

It was a poor choice of a vote, Blaze.
Much like yours.
The difference is, I replaced mine with something better.
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#141 (ISO #12)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
The votes on me came without much reasoning, but it became a little clearer on the discord.
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[23:15] ?Styx MR GOLD FUCKING STAR: whats the actual proof on mendel again?
[23:16] Romeo: The fact that he tried to start a banwagon or tie up votes makes him suspicious enough for me..
[23:16] Blaze: he is overly active
[23:17] Blaze: he is psychologically affected by the situation of me voting and pressuering him so he always type and try to be active without no need
[23:17] Blaze: not because of the fun of the game
[23:17] Blaze: but because he is trying to prove his innocence
[23:17] Blaze: thats all i have

I have been active even before Blaze was "pressuring" me. In the mafia games on my home forum, I am usually the most active poster. That's just who I am. From my first day on my first mafia, being a vanilla townie meant I had nothing to lose, so I could really get into it and be aggressive. To me, getting into it, and finding scum any way you can is the fun part about playing mafia.

If you go by the reasoning "he's active, let's lynch him", you're teaching me that I should be less active if I play here. I'm used to the mafia shooting active players to harm town, I've seen town lynch inactives as a matter of policy, but I've never seen town lynching actives for being active. Taking active, pro-town players out of the game is a very strange way to improve the town position in the game.

Quote:
[23:18] Romeo: Does him changing his vote on you doesnt make you suspicious of him? @Patrick
23:19] Patrick: No, I just find his vote on me unnecessary and based off nothing at all
[23:19] Romeo: Well, alright.

On the first half D1, there's nothing substantial you can vote people for. Thus, you vote people randomly, just to get a reaction, and that's what I've been doing with Patrick. He reacted, pointing out (as others have) that my vote would be better employed to get an inactive into the game, so I voted Kazinka and PMed them that I did so. That's why I voted, and why I changed my vote, and I explained why I did that as I did that.

Quote:
[23:20] Blaze: Im just a peopleperson
[23:20] Blaze: thats why Im usually right about these things

This time, you're not right. It happens, and it happens especially with people you don't know that well. The better you know someone, the better you can read them.

Quote:
[23:21] ?Styx MR GOLD FUCKING STAR: prove to me that your r0/r1 peeks have a more than 75% chance of succeeding
[23:21] ?Styx MR GOLD FUCKING STAR: then you have an argument
[23:21] Blaze: bro
[23:21] Blaze: Its not about that
[23:22] Blaze: No matter if i get 7 out of 9 right
[23:22] Blaze: people are always going to question it
[23:22] ?Styx MR GOLD FUCKING STAR: no
[23:22] ?Styx MR GOLD FUCKING STAR: it really is
[23:22] ?Styx MR GOLD FUCKING STAR: if u have 0% accuracy
[23:22] ?Styx MR GOLD FUCKING STAR: u cant say u just know this
[23:22] Blaze: ok
[23:22] Blaze: so if i have right now
[23:22] Blaze: and im at 5 out of 7
[23:22] Blaze: that means im at 71 precenntage probability
[23:22] Blaze: that means next time
[23:22] Blaze: ull trust me
[23:22] Blaze: righjt_
[23:23] ?Styx MR GOLD FUCKING STAR: you didnt prove shit lol
[23:23] ?Styx MR GOLD FUCKING STAR: 5 outta 7 last games u called out mafia r1?
[23:23] Blaze: I cant prove im a peoples person
[23:23] Blaze: no 4 out of 6
[23:23] Blaze: yea yea
[23:23] Blaze: i cant prove it but i can prove it with maybe hater agreeing ive done theese statistic things for a long time
[23:24] Blaze: im to bored to check other games
[23:24] Blaze: oh nvm
[23:24] Blaze: lets just lose

I don't doubt Blaze remembers being right better than not being right, that's human nature. The more he thinks about it, the lower his ratio gets:7/9, 5/7, 4/6 = 78%, 71%, 67%; and notice that there's always those two he remembers being wrong about. The thing is, you remember being right in r1 well if your guess also got lynched in r1, and that means a bunch of other people were also convinced that that person was scum, probably for different, more rational reasons. But these reasons aren't forthcoming here,so it's not exactly the same type of situation. So if nobody backs you up, maybe your guess is just random. And sure, random voting is fine, I just said I do it myself, but you have to consider if voting here is actually the best use of your vote, or not. (Hint: it's not.)

And, please, if you do happen on some rational reasons to doubt me, I'd appreciate it if you posted them here; having to dig the accusation out of that discord channel is not a good procedure IMO, and I'm sure we both wish to avoid lynching a villager needlessly.

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#142 (ISO #13)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
I agree with Ultor on his #134 post.
If Katika shows up and posts, I'm probably going to switch my vote to Romeo (Lynch All Liars).

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#143 (ISO #14)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
Argh, I mean the #139 post. The one where we should spread out on 3-4 vote wagons to help find Meth Addicts.

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#149 (ISO #15)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
Katika's here, Thierry's not.
[Unvote Katika VS]
[Vote Thierry Henry#CR7]
Same caveat re: switching to Romeo later maybe, and/or equalizing wagons for Meth-hunting.
Now to see about PMing Thierry...

Vote Tally
Spoiler: show
Mendel - 3 - Blaze, Mystic, Romeo
Romeo - 3 - Styx, JTc, Katika VS
Cruxell - 2 - Patrick, Numble
Thierry Henry#CR7 - 2 - Cruxell, Mendel
Blaze - 1 - Wertydoo
Draichrog - 1 - Lawliet
wertydoo - 1 - Draichrog

Expected LHLV - Mendel

No vote - 1 - Thierry Henry#CR7
Incapacitated - 2 - Emziek, Ultor

Player Status
Spoiler: show
1. Styx
2. Blaze
3. Mystic
4. Cruxell
5. JTc
6. Numble
7. Romeo
8. Katika VS
9. Draichrog
10. Lawliet
11. Thierry Henry#CR7
12. Patrick
13. Emziek - R1 (Incapacitated)
14. Ultor - R1 (Incapacitated)
15. Wertydoo
16. Mendel


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#161 (ISO #16)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
Ultor wrote:
As you can see previously, there was a bandwagon on Draichrog voted by 3 people - Patrick, wertydoo, Lawliet. If we look at the previous posts of Romeo, it is crystal-clear that he was trying to defend the cop, for example:

1. When Patrick voted on Draichrog (the cop), Romeo was the first one to go against Patrick with a vote.
2. "Wait why are we band wagoning on Draichrog?" - Romeo said this

Do not vote on Draichrog or Romeo this round and do no send any claims to Mystic. There is a chance that Mystic was contacted by an evil but more likely, he himself is an evil. I would say the best lynch for R1 is JTc or Mystic. JTc for instantly jumping on Romeo's bandwagon with Styx.

It's obvious that Draichrog and Romeo are teaming up (and if it wasn't obvious from your quotes, it is obvious now). Inasfar as that goes, your logic is sound.

But the timing is off.

Post #67 Romeo starts the Mafia mindgame, except at fiorst no-one takes him seriously.
Spoiler: show
Romeo wrote:
LETS START THIS GAME OFF THE RIGHT WAY....

I am a MAFIA AND VILLAGER, who am I?

[VOTE PATRICK]
Code:
Draichrog - 1 - Patrick
Patrick - 1 - Romeo
No vote - 13 - Styx, Blaze, Mystic, Cruxell, JTc, Numble, Katika AD, Draichrog, Lawliet, Thierry Henry#CR7, Wertydoo, Mendel
Incapacitated - 2 - Ultor, Emziek
[/quote]

At this time, there is a single vote on Draichrog, that's hardly a threat at this stage.

The "cop proxy claim" strategy was proposed by Ultor in #72 and Styx in #93.

#108 Ultor defends Draichrog, hinting Draichrog has a PR.
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Ultor wrote:
Anyone with enough IQ should be able to determine that based on Draichrog's response, he may have a PR. This is why I advice those voting on him to direct their attention to someone else- you wanted to pressure him? He responded. Now move on.

Let's not forget that I came up with this proxy shit and it appears that Styx is trying to steal all the credit. [..]


Then the Blaze wagon on me forms, and is in full swing at 23:15.
Romeo wrote:
Updated tally:
Code:
Cruxell - 1 - Patrick
Mendel - 4 - Blaze, Mystic, JTc, Romeo
Draichrog - 2 - wertydoo, Lawliet
Patrick - 1 - Mendel
wertydoo - 1 - Draichrog
No vote - 5 - Styx, Cruxell, Numble, Katika AD, Thierry Henry#CR7
Incapacitated - 2 - Ultor, Emziek

Note that the Draichrog wagon, which had 3 votes intermediately, is now down to 2 votes, with 4 votes on my wagon, and Draichrog not even voting me yet.

This is the moment when, according to your theory, Ultor, Romeo sees the desperate need to defend Draichrog by lying to us and building a wagon on himself (#134, 0:23)
Romeo wrote:
I am going to be voted on in a second...


and guess who replies 7 minutes later
Ultor wrote:
Romeo wrote:
I am going to be voted on in a second...

Yes i think this guy is our safest lynch


So, we have these facts:
  • Romeo lied to us
  • Draichrog was not in danger of being lynched when Romeo built the wagon on himself
  • Ultor supported the Romeo lynch without voting himself
  • Ultor now condemns everyone who followed his own advice and voted Romeo

Your theory doesn't fit the facts, and your accusations do not fit your own behaviour.

Then also note that Mystic, with the other peek claim, was with Romeo on that wagon on myself, together with JtC.

And the upshoot of this whole mess is that you want Mystic to reveal her cop -- for what?
Because Romeo messed up his play so horribly that we do not have a trustworthy claim today no matter what happens?



But wait, there's more.
The Mystic claim comes in post #148. So, without that counterclaim, what was Romeo's plan to get out of getting mislynched?

You may doubt if Romeo is a villager or not; frankly, I don't understand this setup at all right now. What I know is that there's been an intricate conspiracy involving Draichrog, Romeo, and possibly Ultror and others to manipulate the rest of us. I'd suggesting that Mystic should not reveal their cop until we have an understanding what actually went down behind the scenes in this charade, but we have only 12 hours left, and undoubtedly the Romeo team will stall.

There is a possibility that Ultor found a few gullible villagers, and roped them in for an elaborate scheme "to fool the bad guys", with his own private aim to reveal who the town cop is. I hope I'm wrong, because despite our differences, Ultor seems a nice guy who contributes to the game, but I want to see the evidence here. Until I hear accounts of what really went down behind the scenes, I'm not trusting anyone involved in this.



When I voted Thierry, I was first going to vote Romeo, like I had announced (and then I looked over my list and found that Thierry was absent and deserved it more), and I had already written my reasoning for the vote, and I copied it to my notepad for later. It goes like this:
Quote:
Romeo wrote:
I am going to be voted on in a second...

Romeo wrote:
Even though I did claim mafia, you both not even attempting to ask for proof is just...ridiculous.

Did you mean me?
This is not how this works. I'm not going to be voting you because you are mafia (chances are you're not), I'm voting you because you claimed to be ("Lynch all Liars", click it). You even announced it, so there was no reason to doubt Styx until you denied it, which you don't. You're a liar, you get lynched. Or you're not a liar, then you're a mafia, and you get lynched. There's nothing you could prove to change that.
(I might change my vote to equalize the wagons according to Ultor's Meth-hunting strategy.)
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If this is Romeo and friends doing a town gambit, it is now indistinguishable from Romeo and friends doing a scum gambit. Good job everyone. Not.

This is a mess.

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#162 (ISO #17)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
I saw a post by Blaze just now, attacking me, as I was trying to submit, but it is gone now? @HATER, could you check into that? Was it posted and deleted?

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#164 (ISO #18)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
[Unvote Thierry Henry #CR7]
I need to think some more before I place my vote again.


The tally got mixed up, here are two previous votes:
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Mendel wrote:
Katika's here, Thierry's not.
[Unvote Katika VS]
[Vote Thierry Henry#CR7]
Same caveat re: switching to Romeo later maybe, and/or equalizing wagons for Meth-hunting.
Now to see about PMing Thierry...

Vote Tally[spoiler]Mendel - 3 - Blaze, Mystic, Romeo
Romeo - 3 - Styx, JTc, Katika VS
Cruxell - 2 - Patrick, Numble
Thierry Henry#CR7 - 2 - Cruxell, Mendel
Blaze - 1 - Wertydoo
Draichrog - 1 - Lawliet
wertydoo - 1 - Draichrog

Expected LHLV - Mendel

No vote - 1 - Thierry Henry#CR7
Incapacitated - 2 - Emziek, Ultor

Player Status
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1. Styx
2. Blaze
3. Mystic
4. Cruxell
5. JTc
6. Numble
7. Romeo
8. Katika VS
9. Draichrog
10. Lawliet
11. Thierry Henry#CR7
12. Patrick
13. Emziek - R1 (Incapacitated)
14. Ultor - R1 (Incapacitated)
15. Wertydoo
16. Mendel
[/spoiler]

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Lawliet wrote:
[vote cruxell]
Code:
Mendel - 3 - Blaze, Mystic, Romeo
Romeo - 4 - Styx, JTc, Katika VS, Wertydoo
Cruxell - 3 - Patrick, Numble, Lawliet
Katika AD - 1 - Mendel
Thierry Henry#CR7 - 1 - Cruxell
wertydoo - 1 - Draichrog

Expected LHLV - Romeo

No vote - 1 - Thierry Henry#CR7
Incapacitated - 2 - Emziek, Ultor


Vote Tally
Code:
Mendel - 3 - Blaze, Mystic, Romeo
Romeo - 3 - Styx, JTc, Katika VS
Cruxell - 3 - Patrick, Numble, Lawliet
Thierry Henry#CR7 - 1 - Cruxell
Blaze - 1 - Wertydoo
wertydoo - 1 - Draichrog

Expected LHLV - Mendel

No vote - 2 - Thierry Henry#CR7, Mendel
Incapacitated - 2 - Emziek, Ultor

Player Status
Spoiler: show
1. Styx
2. Blaze
3. Mystic
4. Cruxell
5. JTc
6. Numble
7. Romeo
8. Katika VS
9. Draichrog
10. Lawliet
11. Thierry Henry#CR7
12. Patrick
13. Emziek - R1 (Incapacitated)
14. Ultor - R1 (Incapacitated)
15. Wertydoo
16. Mendel


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#165 (ISO #19)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
Blaze wrote:
Mendel wrote:
I saw a post by Blaze just now, attacking me, as I was trying to submit, but it is gone now? @HATER, could you check into that? Was it posted and deleted?


Dude can u chill. I know ure amfia, just need to convince the idiots on here to believe me also.

Im posting it in some minutes chill

It had colored lines and everythig, is this a forum bug?

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#170 (ISO #20)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
Ultor wrote:
Mendel wrote:
So, we have these facts:
    Romeo lied to us
    Draichrog was not in danger of being lynched when Romeo built the wagon on himself
    Ultor supported the Romeo lynch without voting himself
    Ultor now condemns everyone who followed his own advice and voted Romeo

1. Romeo was joking about being 'mafia'. There is no way he could be mafia. You really think someone would let their team down by claiming to be 'mafia' publicly? If you and anyone else voting him just because of this then you guys need to rethink properly unless of course, you're evil trying to lynch R0 peek.
2. I can't vote, I was hospitalised by the SK. You seem to be confused.
3. What kind of bs is this? I only said 'Romeo was our safest lynch' before he claimed to be R0 peek. Once I confirmed things with the cop and had more 'private' talks, it has come clear that he is townie for now.

1. https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM he may be trying for the "There is no way he could be mafia" rwaction. In fact, he could well be mafia; and why would he confuse town? that makes no sense. It also runs counter to your own claim that Romeo tried to build a wagon on himself to protect Draichrog.

2. Sorry, you're correct, I forgot about that.

3. And JTc voted Romeo before it had "become clear" to anyone that he was town. Why, if you knew that, didn't you post a retraction? Yo're a hyprocrite on that issue, plain and simple.

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#171 (ISO #21)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
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Either Mystic or Romeo being night killed while a power role would defuse this situation.

Neither of them claims to be a power role?

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#173 (ISO #22)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
What I want to figure out is if we should follow Styx's plan and ask Mystery to give up their cop? And then kill both cops?
Because it seems more likely to me that the Romeo thing is BS.

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#176 (ISO #23)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
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When I am posting, I am doing so according to my best judgment. I don't have to go through any effort to think "townie-wise", because I am a townie. Apparently this is not true for Ultor?

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#179 (ISO #24)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
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Mendel has the longest held vote and yet hes not voting anyone. When I asked on discord, he said 'i will vote later one'. This is bad and should be avoided unless something else comes up later on today- we definitely need to avoid any last min votes. Please vote now mendel.

Ok. Fine.
[Vote: Ultor]
Please provide a forum post with *all* the info that you boast having (on Discord) on the Romeo/Draichrog situation. Be complete, provide approximate times if possible. I'll unvote you when you do, or convince me that it's better that you don't.

Code:
Mendel - 3 - Blaze, Mystic, Romeo
Romeo - 3 - Styx, JTc, Katika VS
Cruxell - 3 - Patrick, Numble, Lawliet
Blaze - 1 - Wertydoo
Emziek - 1 - Cruxell
wertydoo - 1 - Draichrog
Ultor - 1- Mendel

Expected LHLV - Mendel

No vote - 1 - Thierry Henry#CR7
Incapacitated - 2 - Emziek, Ultor


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#181 (ISO #25)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
Blaze wrote:
"mendel is mafia"

Please get it into your head, today is not about me or you, it is about the two cop claims.
We need to sort that out before the docs can work together. Or have you forgotten?

Ultor wrote:
My speculation as I mentioned on discord would be you being SK who does not want to reveal their double voting power until the very last min.

How would that even work? The SK adds +2 when they vote? Should be easy to spot then.
Or is actually that HATER adds it when he tallies the votes at midnight? And it acually does not matter when the SK or the townie methhead vote?
Why is half of the statements you make about the game half wrong?
I talked to you privately to find that out, and you certainly seemed aware of it, but you keep doing it, and I don't understand why.

Btw, that PM you quoted that Romeo claimed to have gotten? That's not on the forum yet. So please do as I ask. Collect it all in one nice place. Help town out for once, even if it doesn't involve you bullshitting us with advice. Don't make everyone hunt for it here and on that huge-ass discord convo.

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#239 (ISO #26)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
I am with Styx's original plan, which revealed a fake cop claim to us already. Mystic "saved" their cop for us, so we need to lynch Draichrog. (Look it up on Styx's original post how that is supposed to go down.)
Voting Draichrog also helpsbalance the wagons (as Ultor suggested), make the draichrog wagon as strong as the others but not the LHLV can reveal that I am not the SK if Draich does not get lynched... Good for me, not so good for town maybe, your choice though.
If I missed a plan to kill draich by OD, i will retract the vote, but I think nobody suggested that?

[unvote Ultor]
[vote Draichrog]

Could the next player please do the tallies, I'm on mobile and would be sure to mess it up?

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#241 (ISO #27)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
Styx, what are you doing? Flip Draich, if he is revealed as town cop, Romeo was peeked by him and is innocent

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#248 (ISO #28)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
[unvote draichrog]
[vote romeo]

Plan is to equalize ultor with romeo wagon

Romeos tally looks wrong?

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#254 (ISO #29)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
New day, I guess?
Same singleminded Blaze though

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#272 (ISO #30)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
The Serial Killer
1. We lynched the meth addict, so the only person with an extra vote is the SK. This significantly improves our chances of finding them, if
a) we keep the wagons equal (® Ultor)
b) everyone votes, since votes on vanity wagons (= 1 voter) or non-voters add to the LHLV group
2. I'm either exceptionally dumb, love playing Russian Roulette, or cleared of being the SK, since my vote in #248 equalized the wagons 7 minutes to closing. (I'm mentioning this because of Ultor's dying words #258.)
3. The serial killer targetted Mystic, so they might be Mystic's person A, person B, or the fake cop. (@Numble #262)

@HATER, Lawliet voted Romeo in post #251; this is not reflected in your official tally. Why?
Also, any news on the Thierry Henry dropout?

Some obvious observations on the night kills (Correct me if I'm wrong, i'm new here)
* Mystic was not Tough, or HATER would have announced it
* Mystic was protected, because Mystic survived getting stabbed
* Mystic was protected by a town doctor, since Mystic was also shot by the mafia
* Therefore, Draichrog was overdosed by the mafia medic and a town doctor
* Draichrog publicly confirmed Romeo. Unless Draichrog was also pulling some kind of mindgame as well, Draichrog flipping cop confirms Romeo as town.
* The players up for lynch near the deadline were Romeo and Draichrog. Both were town.
* Wagons were always equalized (or close) until near the end. If the last vote is on a bigger wagon, the smaller wagon is the LHLV, so if it has the SK on it, they'd be under suspicion
* The final R1 vote tally was too unequal to conclude anything.
* Safest play for the SK is to park their vote elsewhere
* Surviving players not voting for either Romeo or Draichrog: Numble, Cruxell, Blaze, Romeo, (Thierry Henry)
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Emziek wrote:
Conclusion: Numble & Blaze aren't the cereal killer

Well, I have my own theory on why the SK would target Mystic, but together, this does raise the likelyhood that Cruxell is the SK.
[Vote: Cruxell]
Code:
Mendel - 1 - Blaze
Cruxell - 1- Mendel

Expected LHLV - Mendel

No vote - 11 - Cruxell, Emziek, JTc, Katika VS, Lawliet, Numble, Patrick, Romeo, Styx, Thierry Henry#CR7, Wertydoo


End of day votes on Romeo/Ultor
Code:
Post  Voter    Time  Votes on Romeo                       Votes on Ultor
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#243  Patrick   :45  3 - JTc, Katika VS, Styx             1 - Patrick
#244  wertydoo  :48  3 - JTc, Katika VS, Styx             2 - Patrick, Wertydoo
#245  Styx      :52  2 - JTc, Katika VS                   3 - Patrick, Wertydoo, Styx
#248  Mendel    :53  3 - JTc, Katika VS , Mendel          3 - Patrick, Wertydoo, Styx
#249  Mystic    :54  3 - JTc, Katika VS , Mendel          4 - Patrick, Wertydoo, Styx, Mystic
#251  Lawliet   :58  4 - JTc, Katika VS, Mendel, Lawliet  4 - Patrick, Wertydoo, Styx, Mystic
#252  Katika VS :59  3 - JTc, Mendel, Lawliet             5 - Patrick, Wertydoo, Styx, Mystic, Katika VS


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#273 (ISO #31)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
Erratum
I forgot to remove the question to HATER. The end tally is wrong because it's Katika's tally, and that was based on a stale tally (not considering the latest vote).

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#274 (ISO #32)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
#189 viewtopic.php?p=539994#p539994
Blaze wrote:
After lots of thoughts. This convo seems to be the best lead for tonight. I still believe mendel is mafia but teamwork needs to be done for this to work.

[3:18 PM] (noname): had him on Pm for a bit
[3:18 PM] (noname): he does claim to be 2nd proxy
[3:18 PM] (noname): tbh what i could see right now
[3:18 PM] (noname): Ultor having this plan from the get go, using draich to pose as cop to romeo
[3:18 PM] (noname): cos hes a retard
[3:19 PM] (noname): and the ss we got from romeo says that he FORGOT to send acitons, which is random anyways
[3:19 PM] (noname): which leads me to believe this is the false cop
[3:19 PM] (noname): with ultor being the head of it
[3:19 PM] (noname): mystic wasnt online yday and claimed as soon as he was


Okay: This night, Draich should die. This will lead us to get the know some roles, who is trustworthy and not. Cause Draich is in contact wth romeo and ultor. This also helps us see if mystic claim is true and he is villager and the cop he knows is the real cop. So this risk is the best we can earn from. Killing mendel, donald or anyone else wont lead us somewhere with more info.

This does lead to more info.
Therefore
[Vote Draichog]

R1 Votes by Blaze
#77 [Vote Mendel] "obvious mafia or SK."
#189 [Vote Draichog]  (see above)
#216 "Plan sounds good" [Vote Lawliet]
#217 [vote lawliet] (12 minutes later)
#220 [Vote Mendell][/code]

What the blazes was this about? Who was the "noname" trying to frame Ultor/Draichrog here? What happened to make Blaze abandon the plan? The only post that explains anything about anything after that Draichog vote was about fish memories.

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#277 (ISO #33)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
Blaze wrote:
I got nothing to hide. But the person wanted to be anonymous. The "noname" guy was Styx.
Thank you!

So, the convo above is Styx theorizing what could be, not him revealing private info.
Why would that need to be kept anonymous? That made me think there was more to it than there actually was.
@Styx, can you confirm? Is there anything you'd like to add?

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#283 (ISO #34)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
Patrick wrote:
Edit: Just saw Mendel's vote. Updated the tally

why do I go to the trouble of sorting the nonvoters alphabetically and fix B.'s inability to distinguish a comma from a period if you just ignore it smh

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#284 (ISO #35)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
Cruxell wrote:
Mendel wrote:
Emziek wrote:
Conclusion: Numble & Blaze aren't the cereal killer

Well, I have my own theory on why the SK would target Mystic, but together, this does raise the likelyhood that Cruxell is the SK.

What? How on earth does the innocence of Numble and Blaze make me the Serial Killer?
Just trying to comprehend the meaning of these poetic words.

it helps actually reading my post

Quote:
* Safest play for the SK is to park their vote elsewhere
* Surviving players not voting for either Romeo or Draichrog: Numble, Cruxell, Blaze, Romeo, (Thierry Henry)

* Romeo is innocent
* SK struck last night but Thierry resigned
* Numble and Blaze are probably not the SK (says Emziek)
* you are the only one left on the list
* you are most likely to be it
(it is not a guarantee, but if you wait for guarantees in mafia, you never lynch anyone)

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#288 (ISO #36)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
@Cruxell
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Patrick wrote:
@HATER, what is the status with Thierry's situation?

When I saw this, my instincts told me that I could be the miller and you could've be a confidante of Hunie the cop, but then I remembered that he was eliminated before he could've peeked anybody, except for the R0 negative. Your first serious vote was on me, then as soon as you'd seen me on Discord you started putting pressure on me. And now again you're jumping on a bandwagon, accusing me of - what again? Being AFK? Mate, this is my ninth post. Niende.
You want somebody to share his thoughts with the players? How about you ask Thierry Henry or JTc with their ZERO and TWO game related posts, respectively.
Hence, the only possibilities left at the table are:
  • (1)You're mafia, I'm the miller and you have peeked me as the Serial Killer therefore you want to eliminate me out of the game. Through glibness and lying you are hoping to get the village to lynch me, and you will use the night kill on somebody else, perhaps a confirmed townie.
  • (2)You're throwing, feeding or trolling. Despite still having faith in humanity, seeing your overtly aggressive behavior towards me, it could be possible that for some reason you want specifically me out of the game. Good luck with that.

You know that Thierry dropped out, #168
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Cruxell wrote:
[vote Emziek]
Changing my vote since Thierry seems to have quit the game.
You also know (or should know, since I asked about it on the thread and got a public answer)
* that the R0 peek is always a villager
* the cop got killed, so their R1 peek got lost

At least I assume that's how this works when the cop gets killed, @HATER please confirm?

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Cruxell wrote:
Mendel wrote:
Cruxell wrote:
Mendel wrote:
Emziek wrote:
Conclusion: Numble & Blaze aren't the cereal killer

Well, I have my own theory on why the SK would target Mystic, but together, this does raise the likelyhood that Cruxell is the SK.

What? How on earth does the innocence of Numble and Blaze make me the Serial Killer?
Just trying to comprehend the meaning of these poetic words.

it helps actually reading my post

Quote:
* Safest play for the SK is to park their vote elsewhere
* Surviving players not voting for either Romeo or Draichrog: Numble, Cruxell, Blaze, Romeo, (Thierry Henry)

* Romeo is innocent
* SK struck last night but Thierry resigned
* Numble and Blaze are probably not the SK (says Emziek)
* you are the only one left on the list
* you are most likely to be it
(it is not a guarantee, but if you wait for guarantees in mafia, you never lynch anyone)
What? Your logic is flawed. Why would the SK necessarily be among those who didn't vote for either Romeo or Draichrog? The SK could've voted for pretty much anyone, especially because he's got an extra vote.

Yes, the SK could have voted for anyone, but voting into balanced wagons, with the announced strategy of keeping them balanced, meant a high chance of discovery, and is thus less likely. So while the SK could have voted for Ultor or Romeo, it is less likely that they would have.


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Guys, it's important to realize that we're in a bad situation now.

We're playing this 8v5, so in the worst case scenario that we lynch a townie which we most likely will do if we're not cautious, it will be a 5v5 next round. As soon as the SK dies, we will lose over parity.

I dare not call this a LiLo situation yet, but we must immediately begin to work on finding who the mafia are.

If we are too late, we will lose the game.

Luckily, we've found out that Patrick and Lawliet are mafia, so we should eliminate them as fast as possible.

First you make the case that the rapid tempo of death is threatening us. Then you suggest a course of action that doesn't slow the death rate down. If we eliminate the SK today, we have one less death/night to deal with. From my perspective, that means eliminating you, so I can see how you would not be on board with this. The thing is, neither are Patrick or Lawliet going to be.

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#301 (ISO #37)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
meta-post

I already told you I met Hater on the spectator chat for the Mafia Universe championship. I don't usually use discord, but I used it for that. He invited me to this mafia, which I thought would be a medium-activity forum mafia, with 200-400 posts per game. I can handle 200 forum posts per day. I do like the crew, you have some excellent and friendly players (and quite mayn are both), and some not so much, but that's the way it is everywhere. It's been an interestign and engaging experience for me, as you probably can deduce from my level of engagement.

What I can't handle is a lively discord chat being read alongside the forum game. Yesterday's end-of-game revotes are not understandable without also seeing the discord, and putting it together. But we have no discord logs, and if we had, this would ideed be a high-activity mafia, like the faster ones on the championship.
My old computer can't handle the discord web client, not sure if I can even install the desktop client, and the tablet I've been using the past two days in addition has other drawbacks.

I do my best to use my time to start the day with a long analysis post, and yet I come across on the discord as "silent" and leave questions unanswered that I'm not even tagged on. And the question is "state of the game"; clearly my long analysis post is insufficient as I should have progressed past my "random read list" stage by now. But with Ultor dead, I kinda don't have a mafia team left, and even if I did, it would probably based on seeing who is acting together, and since in this game, everyone has private chat, you can't really find mafia that way. You are going to find mafia by seeing people react in discord, by knowing how they would interact as a team, by pressing them; it occurs to me that this is why some people are asking me who I chat with. (I think Ultor put me down as SK because he recognized that ultimately i don't have a team.) In R0 and R1, I put some supicions up publicly, I get very little feedback, so that is obviously not what works here.

People who told me priority would be finding Sk over finding mafia now tell me it is scummy to suggest a SK lynch when that is all i can suggest.
I am missing a lot of what goes on in the game evn though I read the discord as much as possible, and I am missing a lot more of my spare time than I had budgeted as a result. I really did not plan on having to almost stop spectating the championships when I signed up. (Happily the mafia game I'm hosting is not that intense.)

I'm not resigning. But I do have to find a way of not getting overwhelmed by playing mafia in a new community, on a forum/discord style setting. My usual approach of showing myself through strong forum activity is clearly not sufficient (and I cant transfer it to discord), and I don't know what to do.
I want to keep playing, but I'm going to need to change something. And I don't know how.
Just thought I'd put that out there.

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#315 (ISO #38)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
Styx log with Mystic https://pastebin.com/x5snu3fV
wertydoo log with Mystic https://pastebin.com/iVd38dFa
Your words on the discord that introduced it were "I'll put it out in public for everyone"
And the you also said you were going to make a big post with all the info
Which you did
But not included that

Booting up pc, part 2 in a few minutes

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#318 (ISO #39)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
So, Romeo had an interview with me last afternoon (CEST), and he opened with
Quote:
[14:14] Romeo: Yo my dude
[14:14] Romeo: Havent heard from you at all, whats up?
[14:23] mendel: Hi
[14:24] mendel: Would've gladly lyched you R1 based on that I AM MAFIA stunt
[14:24] Romeo: Well, you did act suspicious but I trust you now
[14:25] mendel: It usually not worth it to keep liars ali e, and you almost managed to screw it up completely for us

and then some more conversation

and later I looked through the forum (I don't remember what I was searching for) and re-read a post of his and then I opened the DM again and said this
Quote:
[15:27] mendel: Post #210 has me as one of your prime mafia suspects
[15:28] mendel: Not happy about you lying to me here, assuming this has not changed
[15:28] Romeo: It has tho.
[15:28] Romeo: Ay dont be sad
[15:28] Romeo: hugs
[15:28] mendel: I am not sad
[15:29] mendel: The way to treat suspicion in a normal mafia is to bring it to the ppl you suspect
[15:30] Romeo: Omg
[15:30] Romeo: MENDEL I SUSPECT YOU
[15:30] mendel: Because half the time (at least) it doesnt pan out, so if I'm wrong, i want to give my teammate a chance to defend themselves
[15:30] Romeo: CONFESS FGT
[15:30] Romeo: >:v
[15:30] Romeo: Jk xd
[15:30] Romeo: Thats not how things roll in my world, my dude
[15:30] mendel: Apprantly on neondragon, proper procedure is to talk behind other peoples backs


The way to treat suspicion in a normal mafia is to bring it to the ppl you suspect, because half the time (at least) it doesnt pan out, so if I'm wrong, I want to give my teammate a chance to defend themselves. Apparently on neondragon, proper procedure is to talk behind other peoples backs.

So, HATER intervened, discord channel almost dropped dead, Romeo is posting annoying hints that he knows who scum is, but won't even tell us who, and ofc not posting here on teh forum, instead doing some scum-hunting via DM. And because not only is the forum half-dead, the channels are dead now too, which means I am cut off fro all information flows unless I start networking aka chatting people up at random whcih is pretty much an even greater waste of my time than following the discord, notwithstanding the point I made above

now Romeo is throwing some hints about Katika on the general-and-memes, denying that he said he wanted her dead (which I assume is the object of his hunt now?) and talking her up as sweetness and light, but neither do I know what changed his mind, nor does he even admit to having said that before
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HATER wrote:
Can we do something to make life easier for Mendel regarding this?

I am not asking you to. I am a guest here, this is your community and your mafia, you play by your rules.
Out of curiosity, how high is your town win rate on these games, usually?


My point here is that
a) this game is impossible to play without discord
b) this game is impossible to play without heavily networking other players on Discord, because otheriwse you're out of teh loop of thr rumor mill and cant really play
c) I suspect your intervention actually throttled teh public sources of information, making information flows more private and harder for me to track
d) whcih is the eact opposite to how mafia is usually played, where all information has to be public except for scumchat and a few exceptions
e) and that is the basis on how to hunt mafia in a normal game, you find ppl sharing information and you find the scumteam (same point that I made in my earlier meta post)
f) and it also allows ppl a fair chance to defend themselves (to defend myself against Blaze and Romeo and teh others I had to go hut on Discord)(and they won't even tell me what their problem is with me when I ask them directly)

so yeah
sometimes mafia-styl games are called witchhunt
and this game works like one

and the thing to help me would be to get in your time machine and tell me that when you invited me

next best thing is for someone to post digests of what went down, because
a) a bot log is hard to read (and forums usualyl dont like bots posting, because 99% they're spammers)
b) a personal account allows us to read the person posting it to some degree, which improves the game

and then lynch everyone who won't use the forums because guess who operates away from the light of day? right, the killers

except that Romeo is unfortunately confirmed town
which means he can get away with acting as scummy as he pleases (remember "I AM MAFIA")

<expletive deleted>

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[04:43] Romeo: My dude, you claimed a villager, am I correct?
[04:45] mendel: not talking to you any more
[04:45] Romeo: Whyyy
[04:45] mendel: ask me on the forum, in public
[04:45] Romeo: What I do to you?
[04:45] Romeo: What I do tho?
[04:46] Romeo: Alright.
[04:46] mendel: lied on general memes just now, remmeber
[04:47] Romeo: I am sorry, I thought you were accussing me, thats what your tone sounded like
[04:47] Romeo: I honestly changed thoughts 180° after I became the main focus of the villagers...
[04:47] Romeo: I took everything with sensitivity
[04:47] Romeo: And had to investigate everything
[04:47] Romeo: Bear with me so we can win.

why do I get the feeling that none of this is true


If you have suspicions, put them on the forum. It isn't that hard. Geez.

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#320 (ISO #40)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
from mafia discord
Quote:
04:30] Romeo: Thanks for logs, they helped..
[04:30] Romeo: More info..
[04:30] Romeo: Proving something
[04:30] Romeo: @mendel
[04:32] Romeo: Pff Mystic and Wertydoo thought mafia was just gonna put 2 of their members out there to be bait...
[04:32] Romeo: Someone talk...boring ppl ffs

cue to me flying off the handle at Romeo's playstyle being cryptic
Quote:
"@Romeo "proving something" dont bother to tag me if all you are doing is dropping more hints. Read my forum posts."
[05:14] Romeo: When you cant defend yourself so you bring something else..
[05:15] mendel: Oh the reason i cant defend myself is that you actually never accuse me in public, or to my face"

(heavily excerpted)

private chat log with numbe about game meta
Quote:
05:27] mendel: I am asking Romeo not to lie to me but is it helping?
[05:27] mendel: That boy just enjoys lying
[05:27] mendel: Which means he'd usually be lynched D1 in any game of mafia(bearbeitet)
[05:28] mendel: And it almost happened here
[05:28] Numble: Look
[05:28] Numble: maybe it's his game style.
[05:28] Numble: he's playing with people who know him.
[05:28] Numble: I personally haven't played that much with him
[05:28] mendel: If that is his best town play then this site works in mysterious ways
[05:29] Numble: but I've seen how he plays and he's still fairly knew
[05:29] Numble: I know it's being a frustrating game
[05:29] Numble: Honestly most games over on nD are
[05:29] Numble: and its because of dense people like Romeo and Blaze.
[05:31] mendel: No it is because this site plays mafia as a rumours game
[05:31] mendel: Which i am not good at, and which i hate in real life
[05:33] Numble: Well this is how they play mafia mendel.
[05:33] Numble: This is how i learned to play mafia even if I don't enjoy it that much.
[05:33] Numble: I warned you that things are different here earlier on
[05:34] Numble: I'm sorry if I haven't helped.
[05:34] mendel: No need to be sorry
[05:35] mendel: You respect his game style , i dont
[05:36] mendel: And i think it is anti-town because it would be in any other game of mafia
[05:36] Numble: and I agree to some extent
[05:36] Numble: the difference here is that people are allowed to communicate outside the main game forum
[05:36] Numble: I personally believe that he's hiding info in fear of the mafia.
[05:37] Numble: its just what it seems to me
[05:37] mendel: Mafia already have the info
[05:37] mendel: They are the informed minority
[05:37] mendel: He is hiding it from the town
[05:38] mendel: He should legit be hiding the PRs
[05:38] mendel: But nothing else
[05:39] Numble: I guess so.. He's interpreting the situation through his eyes(bearbeitet)
[05:41] mendel: Yes. That interpretation is what he needs to be public about
[05:41] mendel: More than anything else, mafia is a game of being wrong
[05:42] Numble: I know mendel
[05:42] mendel: Which is also why vigilantes have reputation for hurting town in many cases
[05:43] mendel: And this is why you put your ideas and suspicions and strategies out there
[05:43] mendel: And this chat is private when everyone should see us discuss this
[05:44] Numble: feel free to share it.
[05:45] mendel: Ty


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#321 (ISO #41)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
The data

Lawliet
Patrick

Quote:
#65 (ISO #5) 25 May 2018, 02:17
LETS GET STARTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED
HOW ARE YOU DOING
[vote Draichrog]


#76 (ISO #3) 25 May 2018, 13:25
[vote Draichorg]
KEEPING THEM TRADITIONS


#112 (ISO #8) 25 May 2018, 21:26
Moving on to the next one on the list:
[vote Cruxell]


#160 (ISO #10) 26 May 2018, 12:02
[vote cruxell]


#218 (ISO #17) 26 May 2018, 88:56
[vote Lawliet]
I don't like letting people slip through with near no effort at all, but I think Lawliet needs some focus as well. He has been following my voting pattern and has been doing nothing since he pressured Draich early this round.


#243 (ISO #19) 27 May 2018, 01:45
- A vote on Ultor would give us some sort of information about the triangle of Romeo, Draich and Ultor which appeared out of nowhere and for no reason.
Ultor - 1 - Patrick


#251 (ISO #17) 27 May 2018, 01:58
[vote Romeo]


Phase change

#281 (ISO #23) 27 May 2018, 14:40
Just starting from where we left yesterday before all the confusion in the end of the round. Step the fuck up Cruxell and share your thoughts with the rest of us.

You popped up randomly on discord last night after the round was over.

[vote Cruxell]


Cruxell wrote:
Werty's post makes him somewhat more trustworthy, although it is entirely wrong. I highly doubt that the mafia would now switch their method of interference with the village by tasking Werty with standing up for Patrick and Lawliet. They already sent a probe in with Patrick, and he did not come off as suspicious so they can continue to use him. It might be that they're trying to get the heat off him for a while, but if they were, they would probably employ Lawliet to do what Werty did. Luckily, players such as Numble are beginning to see the bigger picture and draw parallels thereby understanding the association of Patrick and Lawliet. So perhaps they did indeed tell Patrick to keep his head down. We shall find out eventually.

If you want to make case of Lawliet buddying Patrick from two votes on R1, the data supports that. Barely.

BUt I would love to see a proper case made why Patrick and Lawliet are in the mafia together, because I am not seeing it. There may be something posted R1 that I missed because it has been come up, but I suspect it is buried in that part of the discord that I didn't get a chance to read. If that's the case, could someone summarize for me? Please? (Preferably someone who is currently voting on this, but I'll take any summary really?)

Quote:
Come to think of it, I agree with your position HATER. I was very shocked upon the discovery of the impact of Discord on the game, and it's not just about those who are unable to use it, like Mendel. It's also about those who aren't too active on Discord. The primary location where this game is taking place are the forums. Discord is diverting attention and making it harder to follow the train of thought. Some people will constantly be active on Discord and will talk endlessly, thereby getting more information than others. Perhaps guys, we could use the forums as the only source of actual player credibility. The problem is that a bandwagon can be decided in the heat of the moment on Discord and then applied on the forums where nobody will have an idea what it's about.

I wouldn't go as far as actually prohibiting interaction outside of the forums - obviously we need PMs. They're a standard part of all mafia/werewolf games. But steps need to be taken in the future to ensure that the old spirit of mafia is maintained and discussion takes place here where it belongs. I'd keep the same rules as changing them mid game would be upsetting for most players. Do we need anti-Discord regulation in the future? Perhaps we could create unofficial guidelines and customs which will ensure that everybody sees everything, rather then enforcing strict rules.


Except for the part where I am unable to use discord (it is a PITA, but obvsly I *am* using it), I am on board with all of this. Thank you.

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#322 (ISO #42)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R1 ends 8 PM EDT Saturday
Addendum to my previous post
Cruxell wrote:
I wouldn't go as far as actually prohibiting interaction outside of the forums - obviously we need PMs. They're a standard part of all mafia/werewolf games.

PMs are a "standard part of all mafia games" in this community. Most other communities prohibit them; talking about the game outside the game thread is usually grounds for disqualification, unless the rules allow you to talk (like Mafia, Masons). That's a major aspect of my difficulty to adjust here.

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#324 (ISO #43)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
Blaze, that is still the same reason you had when you first voted me.
Gonna frame that certificate you made, it'll be lovely.

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#326 (ISO #44)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
Thank you, Cruxell, I see where you're coming from now. Lawliet follows two of Patrick's votes, Patrick stands up for Lawliet at least twice. I didn't notice the latter because I was kinda with Patrick on these: I do like calling out bad logic myself, as he does there. (Rejoice, those who have me and Patrick down as mafia team, and add it to your evidence folder.) But yeah, he should've let Lawliet defend himself. So the question is this: does Patrick strike you as a player who, if he is mafia, does not realize this? Do you think he chooses to defend Lawliet over pinging him in scumchat, saying "buddy, go and push back"? My read of Patrick is that he is too smart for that, but he might also think he could get away with it. I don't know any of you that well to decide. But it's noted, and I can see where you're coming from now.
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#328 (ISO #45)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
Some Notes

First, I think it doesn't actually matter what I am writing now. Romeo seems to be scum-hunting, hopefully with some help, and tonight's lynch is just going to be a game of "Romeo says".

I already made a vote analysis post this morning (pointing the finger at Cruxell=SK), and now I've read through the forum again with the new knowledge, here's what I noticed:
* wertydoo and lawliet's votes stay on Draichrog after the claim, Patrick changes
* Emziek is laying low after having been shot R0
* #167 and earlier: why would Blaze post a long thing with colored lines and then delete it, never to be seen again? What was in that post that had to be hidden? I read it at the time and it seemed harmless, so whatever it was, was it a "on second glance" thing?
* #177 Ultor: "we definitely need to avoid any last minute votes" yeah that worked out well for him
* #184 Ultor at me "I won't bother responding to you Mendel if you keep ignoring my questions." wtf was he talking about?
* #190 Blaze on board with lynching Draich
* #215 wertydoo opposes Ultor's scum guesses (see below)
* JTc is low posting throughout

Ultor's scum guesses
Ultor made some scum guesses on discord, and wertydoo posted those in#215.
"Maf: Styx Blaze, JTc, Numble -- SK=mendel"
Spoiler: show
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The vote: Ultor - 5 - Patrick, Wertydoo. Styx, Mystic, Katika VS
Spoiler: show
HATER wrote:
Final vote tally:
Code:
Romeo - 2 - JTc, Mendel
Lawliet - 1 - Mystic
Cruxell - 2 - Numble, Lawliet
Emziek - 1 - Cruxell
Styx - 1 - Draichrog
Mendell - 2 - Blaze, Romeo
Ultor - 5 - Patrick, Wertydoo. Styx, Mystic, Katika VS

Expected LHLV - Ultor

No vote - 1 - Thierry Henry#CR7
Incapacitated - 2 - Emziek, Ultor

#256
Ultor wrote:
That's amazing you guys are too predictable... You now have a clear list of obvious mafia that thought I was the one of the doctors :clap:


Styx is the only player who was threatened by Ultor and voted him; everyone else on his list (Blaze, JTc, Numble) stayed off his lynch. Blaze and Numble parked their votes, JTc voted on Ultor's counterwagon.
If Ultor's voters were a "clear list of mafia", then Mystic needs to be mafia, and we know he wasn't.
Ultor was voted because of the weird play with Draichrog and Romeo, not because anyone thought he was the doctor.

So if Ultor's guesses are in any way indicative, they'd be implicating Styx, but given that that is a 1 in 5 chance, that's just expected statistically. I think the "clear list" is nonsense.

I'll come back to Ultor's initial guess in my next section.

Emziek

#227
Cruxell wrote:
Emziek wrote:
Nah I'm good

Unfortunately, people will take this with humor, ignore common sense and not consider Emziek a potential threat. I implore you to see reason, either (1) he's village and will contribute nothing to the game, potentially harming us as well or (2) he's a mafia and has accomplished exactly what they all hope for: to subtly blend in with the crowd unnoticed.


After the vote, Emziek revealed that he had been active on Discord and fake claiming doc in post #267 and the following two. He says he claimed to Numble, Blaze, and Mystic, and hence Numble and Blaze would be cleared since nobody targetted Emziek.

Ok, usually I would have lynched Emziek for that fakeclaim alone, but seeing Romeo's play style, maybe town playing mind games is not too unexpected around here.
But
a) Emziek has been low activity during R1, and still sort of is
b) Emziek "clears" two of Ultor's original suspects, Blaze and Numble
c) There is no way to check if Mystic ever saw that screenshot since he's conveniently dead
d) Numble and Blaze both did not commit to any wagon
e) Emziek was *shot* in R0 and thus could not vote
f) Numble "knows" in #262 that the informants were 2 mafia, and not mafia and SK (yeah, that one is weaksauce)(but I like to be complete)

[b]Is it possible that we have an Emziek, Numble, Blaze scum team?

Does it make sense?
Who else would be on their team?

(If I had to guess, it could be wertydoo, because he ridicules Ultor's guess in #215, and he's also kept his vote off the main wagons, but that's very weak.)

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#333 (ISO #46)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
Numble wrote:
I simply stated more than once that there was a chance and it seemed to me highly likely that both of Mystic's informants were Mafia OR Mafia and Serial Killer.

#262
Numble wrote:
Sigh, let's just hope Mystic's informants are actually proper people and not 2 mafia.

There is no OR. Yeah, I said it was weak sauce. It's merely an added detail.

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#335 (ISO #47)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
@Romeo what did Lawliet claim as? You don't mention a counterclaim, is there one?

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#338 (ISO #48)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
@Emziek you told Blaze that it is a fake claim, so I don't see how this clears Blaze in any way, like you claimed? You lied to us.

also apologies for not wanting to leave the game on the first day, I've since reconsidered that though

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#341 (ISO #49)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
wertydoo wrote:
Meaning you do want to leave?

I'm not going to resign.
I'm too far in the grips of this game to let go now.
But as you all should have noticed by now, the pace and the style of gameplay are stressing me out, and it is a very different kind of game that I had envisioned when I signed up for it. I can't currently see myself playing another game like this anytime soon, and I'll be glad when I'm out of this one honorably.

Which means I'll keep trying hard, Blaze. 8-)
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#342 (ISO #50)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
Emziek wrote:
Mendel wrote:
@Emziek you told Blaze that it is a fake claim, so I don't see how this clears Blaze in any way, like you claimed? You lied to us.

Post #268 Emziek (ISO #9)
Post #269 (ISO #10)


#269
Emziek wrote:
Conclusion:
Numble & Blaze aren't the cereal killer (props to anyone who gets the reference).
If any of the two are mafia > I was peeked by the Don R1.

And before anyone asks: No this isn't an official Doctor claim, I was provoking responses to see what the people mentioned would do with said information.


How does telling Blaze that you fakeclaimed to Numble make him not be the serial killer? I can't follow your logic at all. I thought you meant that you claimed doc, and that the SK would want to kill you at night because of that, but I have clearly misunderstood your strategy here.

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#343 (ISO #51)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
Meh. We have 13 players, 3 roles and Romeo, leaves 9 players as potential lynches, and 5 scum, so any suggestion of Romeo's has a 62.5% chance of me hitting scum with it, provided he has had all claims come in, which he says he has. We just have to kill 9 players faster than scum can find our roles.

[unvote Cruxell][vote Lawliet]
Code:
Cruxell - 3 - Patrick, Wertydoo, Numble
Lawliet - 3 - Cruxell, Romeo, Mendel
Mendel - 1 - Blaze

Expected LHLV: Cruxell
No vote - 7 - JTc, Numble, Lawliet, Styx, Katika VS, Dangan, Emziek


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#345 (ISO #52)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
I'ma pull a Patrick and defend Lawliet butt in here:
Patrick wrote:
Lawliet also seemed eager to pressure Draich in the beginning of R1. The vote was after all a “random vote” to get the game going and even if I don’t agree with the strategy Draich pulled it doesn’t change that Lawliet went in too hard and eventually got a PR-claim.

This is a null argument. It only flies if Lawliet knew that Draich had a power role, but due to the way R0 peeks work, nobody could know that except for Draich himself, and Romeo, and whomever else besides Ultor Romeo told about it, and... ok I'll shut up now.

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#348 (ISO #53)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
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It's true, you know.
The guy we trust doesn't know how this game works.

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#353 (ISO #54)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
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Patrick wrote:
Mendel wrote:
I'ma pull a Patrick and defend Lawliet butt in here:
Patrick wrote:
Lawliet also seemed eager to pressure Draich in the beginning of R1. The vote was after all a “random vote” to get the game going and even if I don’t agree with the strategy Draich pulled it doesn’t change that Lawliet went in too hard and eventually got a PR-claim.

This is a null argument. It only flies if Lawliet knew that Draich had a power role, but due to the way R0 peeks work, nobody could know that except for Draich himself, and Romeo, and whomever else besides Ultor Romeo told about it, and... ok I'll shut up now.

Whether or not Draich had a powerrole, Lawliet tried to gather information early in the game by doing that. As you said, there is no way that he could have known about Draich's PR - so it was probably a longshot from him, but he succeeded.
Do you know who else voted Draich up to that 3-strong wagon, Patrick? You and wertydoo.
Go look at #100, how is Lawliet pushing Draichrog (#91)?
Spoiler: show
Lawliet wrote:
Draichrog wrote:
wertydoo wrote:
Draichrog wrote:
wertydoo wrote:
Romeo wrote:
Wait why are we band wagoning on Draichrog?


Typical R1 fish for info. No nefarious reason. This will likely remain the same unless a better lead presents itself.

Maybe I got Don'ed and then the bandwagon started.


Are you suggesting Patrick is a mafia?

I'd sooner suspect Lawliet and/or you than Patrick. But nothing's clear yet of course, I'm not making bold accusations yet.

nobody is making any bold accusations just yet, you ignoring being voted is not helping, however. suspecting whoever votes you is kinda expected. but being afraid to make a move is a little suspicious. Voted you after you made a reply where 2 people were voting you at the time and you did not even consider their votes, guess 3 got you to talk. Now then, what are your thoughts about this game? what do you think of Ultor's suggestion?
"Now then, what are your thoughts about this game? what do you think of Ultor's suggestion?"
Answer and the wagon moves on.

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#356 (ISO #55)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
Patrick wrote:
This post above is just straight up distasteful and unnecessary when we know Romeo is a confirmed townie and it's safe to assume that he didn't make this decision all by himself.

Then tell me a sensible reason why the 5 targets need to be kept secret. There is no way to protect against town's methods of killing. This can't have been suggested by anyone who knows how this works.

The thing is, Lawliet challenged Romeo, saying that there were really 3 doc claims, and hence no safe group of 4 confirmed villagers. If you let that get out, then "not all by himself" means one other person that is actually trustworthy, and else whoever Romeo decides to trust for whatever reason. It means that the odds of killing scum with pot shots just got much, much worse.

If Lawliet is right, it means that Romeo is manipulating us with mind games again into going along with his vote, and when we see the first villagers flip on our kills, we're going down with him.
If Romeo is right, just post the 5 targets already.

Romeo, if you post the 5 targets, I will personally vote for each one of them.

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#359 (ISO #56)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
Romeo wrote:
Mendel wrote:
If Romeo is right, just post the 5 targets already.

Romeo, if you post the 5 targets, I will personally vote for each one of them.

When the round is near end.

Can't quit the mind games, can you?
I am not planning to be here at 2 am again.

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#361 (ISO #57)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
[unvote lawliet]
[vote Cruxell]

until I see 5 targets, or a sensible reason

Code:
Cruxell - 3 - Wertydoo, Numble, Mendel
Lawliet - 4 - Cruxell, Romeo, Patrick, Styx
Mendel - 1 - Blaze

Expected LHLV: Lawliet
No vote - 6 - JTc, Numble, Lawliet, Katika VS, Dangan, Emziek


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#362 (ISO #58)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
If there is someone sensible working with Romeo, please do get in contact with him.

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#390 (ISO #59)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
In the absence of a counterclaim, I believe Katika. I still call bullshit on Romeo's 5 targets.
[vote Lawliet]
Code:
Cruxell - 2 - Numble, Lawliet
Lawliet - 10 - Cruxell, Romeo, Patrick, Styx, Dangan, JTc, Blaze, Katika VS, Wertydoo, Mendel

Expected LHLV: Lawliet
No vote - 1 - Emziek


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#419 (ISO #61)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
vote analysis: everyone is town
hope you know your SK because this vote tally sure won't reveal the Meth-head
might have made 2 wagons but you didn't even have 3 targets did you
effing mind games

(Cribbed from Cruxell and updated)
Quote:
1. Styx
2. Blaze
3. Mystic - Stabbed R1, Shot R1, Normal Villager
4. Cruxell Stabbed R2, Village Doctor
5. JTc
6. Numble
7. Romeo
8. Katika VS - Overdosed R2, Hitwoman
9. Draichrog - Overdosed R1, Village Cop
10. Lawliet - Lynched R2, Trainee
11. Dangan (subbed for Thierry Henry#CR7)
12. Patrick - Shot R2, Normal Villager
13. Emziek - Shot R0
14. Ultor - Stabbed R0, Lynched R1, Villager (Meth Addict)
15. Wertydoo
16. Mendel

Remaining roles:
1x Cop (former deputy)
1x Doctor
4x Normal Villager
1x Don
1x Medic
1x Serial Killer

Remaining modifiers:
Tough
Miller

k so my scumteam guess (Emziek, Numble, Blaze) is still alive, no surprises there
Emziek tried to patronize me and shake my confidence on Discord, so <.<

my SK top suspect was a doc, way to lie low. at least the other doc had the sense to vote (unless it is Blaze) (jk) (I <3 you Blaze)

My R1 kill analysis (#272 excerpted):
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Mendel wrote:
The Serial Killer
1. We lynched the meth addict, so the only person with an extra vote is the SK. This significantly improves our chances of finding them, if
a) we keep the wagons equal (® Ultor)
b) everyone votes, since votes on vanity wagons (= 1 voter) or non-voters add to the LHLV group
2. I'm either exceptionally dumb, love playing Russian Roulette, or cleared of being the SK, since my vote in #248 equalized the wagons 7 minutes to closing. (I'm mentioning this because of Ultor's dying words #258.)
3. The serial killer targetted Mystic, so they might be Mystic's person A, person B, or the fake cop. (@Numble #262)

[..]
* The players up for lynch near the deadline were Romeo and Draichrog. Both were town.
* Wagons were always equalized (or close) until near the end. If the last vote is on a bigger wagon, the smaller wagon is the LHLV, so if it has the SK on it, they'd be under suspicion
* The final R1 vote tally was too unequal to conclude anything.
* Safest play for the SK is to park their vote elsewhere
* Surviving players not voting for either Romeo or Draichrog: Numble, Cruxell, Blaze, Romeo, (Thierry Henry)
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Emziek wrote:
Conclusion: Numble & Blaze aren't the cereal killer

Well, I have my own theory on why the SK would target Mystic, but together, this does raise the likelyhood that Cruxell is the SK.
Vote: Cruxell

End of day votes on Romeo/Ultor
Code:
Post  Voter    Time  Votes on Romeo                       Votes on Ultor
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#243  Patrick   :45  3 - JTc, Katika VS, Styx             1 - Patrick
#244  wertydoo  :48  3 - JTc, Katika VS, Styx             2 - Patrick, Wertydoo
#245  Styx      :52  2 - JTc, Katika VS                   3 - Patrick, Wertydoo, Styx
#248  Mendel    :53  3 - JTc, Katika VS , Mendel          3 - Patrick, Wertydoo, Styx
#249  Mystic    :54  3 - JTc, Katika VS , Mendel          4 - Patrick, Wertydoo, Styx, Mystic
#251  Lawliet   :58  4 - JTc, Katika VS, Mendel, Lawliet  4 - Patrick, Wertydoo, Styx, Mystic
#252  Katika VS :59  3 - JTc, Mendel, Lawliet             5 - Patrick, Wertydoo, Styx, Mystic, Katika VS
Comments looking back:
* why did I consistently write the final wagons were on Romeo and Draichrog when it was Romeo/Ultor? wtf (didn't anybody else notice)
* SK was not Mystic's person A or B (or C). Might have been fake cop, that would explain why Mafia and SK were able to coordinate the NK on Mystic
* Surviving players not voting for either Romeo or Draichrog: Numble, Cruxell, Blaze, Romeo
* so either my scumteam guess is wrong, or the SK likes to take risks. can't even say they voted late, since the 4 last voters are village or scum

long post is long, hitting submit, need to think about this some more anyway

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#421 (ISO #62)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
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My initial thought is that the SK might have peeked Cruxell. This seems the most likely as I can't think of any other reason to target him. If he were really mafia, at least at this point in the game, the SK might be trying to make contact.

Your theory requires that Cruxell looked like mafia in R1. But as Katika pointed out (not the best source I know), Cruxell's activity explosion only happened R2.

So let's look at the Cruxell wagon. #329 is when Romeo starts pushing Lawliet, so this is when the Cruxell wagon becomes openly unviable (it was always unviable, but we didn't know that).
Romeo wrote:
Code:
Cruxell - 4 - Patrick, Mendel, Wertydoo, Numble
Lawliet - 2 - Cruxell, Romeo
Mendel - 1 - Blaze
Expected LHLV: Cruxell

No vote - 7 - JTc, Numble, Lawliet, Styx, Katika VS, Dangan, Emziek

Katika and Lawliet are not actually on that wagon, so it is possible they did know it was not viable.

Actually they're dead, so my scumteam guess is wrong anyway, it can only be Emz and Numble or Emz and Blaze. Hmm.

Would they have tried to get Cruxell lynched as doc? if they knew he was doc, then why, also that was Patrick and myself, so that didn't happen. When did we learn about the third informant? At that point, when werty revealed that, mafia/SK team would have known that the push would never see a repeat of R1 draichrog debacle. From that point on it gets very WIFOM-y. Sigh.

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#422 (ISO #63)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
Romeo wrote:
Now for the med, I have my way to find him.

And from my investigation I found either a possible SK or the last mafia after the med. Info will be shared soon.

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Mind games.
And way for Cruxell to hint at town team, in hindsight. Scratch all my previous theories, the SK probably found Crux!doc on his own.

Awesome props to Mystic for getting the ball rolling, you've been unstoppable even after death.

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#428 (ISO #64)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
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Just when you think it is
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it is actually
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Styx wrote:
Oh yeah, I claimed deputy is discord so I also claim deputy here FYI BTW

And you do this because the Mafia somehow already know that you are the deputy
so you have nothing left to lose
is this the famed Draichrog strategy we saw in R1? Claim cop and hope for the best? Is this the best Romeo can do for us? We're all doomed.


wertydoo wrote:
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Mendel wrote:
wertydoo wrote:
My initial thought is that the SK might have peeked Cruxell. This seems the most likely as I can't think of any other reason to target him. If he were really mafia, at least at this point in the game, the SK might be trying to make contact.

Your theory requires that Cruxell looked like mafia in R1. But as Katika pointed out (not the best source I know), Cruxell's activity explosion only happened R2.

So let's look at the Cruxell wagon. #329 is when Romeo starts pushing Lawliet, so this is when the Cruxell wagon becomes openly unviable (it was always unviable, but we didn't know that).
Romeo wrote:
Code:
Cruxell - 4 - Patrick, Mendel, Wertydoo, Numble
Lawliet - 2 - Cruxell, Romeo
Mendel - 1 - Blaze
Expected LHLV: Cruxell

No vote - 7 - JTc, Numble, Lawliet, Styx, Katika VS, Dangan, Emziek

Katika and Lawliet are not actually on that wagon, so it is possible they did know it was not viable.



Actually they're dead, so my scumteam guess is wrong anyway, it can only be Emz and Numble or Emz and Blaze. Hmm.

Would they have tried to get Cruxell lynched as doc? if they knew he was doc, then why, also that was Patrick and myself, so that didn't happen. When did we learn about the third informant? At that point, when werty revealed that, mafia/SK team would have known that the push would never see a repeat of R1 draichrog debacle. From that point on it gets very WIFOM-y. Sigh.


I would like to pool more information on the possibility of an Emziek Numble partnership.
However, I have an issue with your suggestion that the Mafia/Sk could coordinate in R1. From earlier, we pointed out that it's damn near impossible for them to have been communicating.

From my #419: "SK was not Mystic's person A or B (or C). Might have been fake cop, that would explain why Mafia and SK were able to coordinate the NK on Mystic"

The point is, it was damn near impossible for the double hit on Mystic to occur. The odds for the SK hitting that uncoordinated are 1/15; or maybe 2/15 if we accept that we would have found a double hit on Draichrog just as astounding. (What's the priorities, would the overdose come first, or would the stabbing use up a protection, with no overdose left?) You need to come up with an explanation for something as unlikely as that, and the theory that the SK was the fake cop fits the data, because it provides a) motivation for the SK to hit Mystic, and b) communication.

I'm afarid I don't have any more information on that partnership than what I have already posted.

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#429 (ISO #65)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
[Vote Emziek]
Code:
Emziek - 2 - Wertydoo, Mendel
No Vote - 7 - Romeo, Styx, Dangan, JTc, Emziek, Numble, Blaze
Expected LHLV: Emziek

in b4 "Romeo says"

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#432 (ISO #66)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
@Styx hey, Mr cop, what was your R2 peek?

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#433 (ISO #67)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
Emziek wrote:
Blaze wrote:
how are we not playing after my strats
Mendel is one of the last mafia
Numble is SK


Are u going to do a 1 in 7 chance on emziek before lynching one of these obvious threats?

Why are they obvious?

come on Blaze told you why I am obvious in that screenshot you translated for me

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Mind Games

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#459 (ISO #68)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
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Okay, so since everyone seems to think that I'm the SK, lemme tell you this already: I'm not.

If I really were the SK Emz, would be dead by now, I wouldn't have Mystic stabbed in R1 and among other actions

Honestly, I've been just sitting back. I've talked with a lot of people behind the scenes, shared my input with them. Romeo, Werty, Emz and even Mendel can confirm such.

I only opted out to stay out of R2 just to see how things would go down, so that I could keep my own list of suspects without becoming biased of other's opinions.

If voting me is you all saying "We've got the last mafia and SK", you're all wrong and highly consider you to reevaluate your arguments.

@Numble: Would you be willing to share your list of suspects with us?
I mean, like it's usually done in mafias, people post read lists?

You had one chat with me,after I flew off the handle at Romeo on Discord, and I actually posted the log on #320. It's 20 minutes of you calming me down, and I don't see how it is alignment indicative in any way. You didn't "share" your "input" with me. I thank you for the chat, you're a nice guy and I like you, but even nice guys draw evil roles sometimes. ;-P

Reading your ISO does what reading the ISO of an active player always does, lots of clues that look scummy in hindsight if you see them with the proper mindset; yet, they're there. (Example: #340 "As for the current spotlight, I still consider Kontra a bigger threat on a longer run that Lawliet.") I can't presume to judge your playstyle, but you're one of my top 3 scum reads at the moment (just iso me and Ctrl-F your name to see why), so I'd be on board with voting you.

Except I am carrying on Ultor's legacy, we still have a SK to find if we're wrong about you being SK, is anyone up for creating a second wagon so we can balance things? Or are you all certain enough?

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#460 (ISO #69)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
ugh scratch that with the balanced wagons, terrible idea
Numble won't be voting for himself, and if he's SK, his vote counts double, and then he won't be the one getting lynched.
Unless he votes on his own wagon, but then he can do a last-minute switchover.
So the only way would be to have the second wagon on someone who we are as certain of so we'd want to lynch either one anyway
sigh

[vote:Numble]
Code:
Emziek - 1 - Wertydoo
Numble - 6 - Styx, Romeo, Blaze, JTc, Emziek, Mendel
Dangan - 1 - Numble
No Vote - 1 - Dangan
Expected LHLV: Numble


if this game had hammering, Emziek would've killed you with his vote

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#481 (ISO #70)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
@werty #462 Blazeing your way towards "tries too hard"? good thing you noticed how silly that is

Numble/Blaze
Numble wrote:
Main suspects:

Werty: Extremely active. Something just doesn't feel quite right about him.
Mendel: Extremely active as well. It's possible for to be the SK given how's been playing. Attempting to be pro village but actually fighting with a confirmed villager.
JTc: Awfully quiet. 0 input public. Typical troll but can be active if he feels like he's got a chance. Can be the SK considering he doesn't participate much publicly, so he'd avoid teh spot light.
Emz: Claiming Doc that early can lead to a coin. Could be Medic attempting to go for an OD or legit medic avoiding the main spotlight. Hard to read, tough to deal late game.
These are my main suspects at the moment. Will add more when I get home.

Also as you can see, I posted jackshit about Henry/Dangan cuz they've been just AFK overall. Dangan even then has almost no presence in the forum.
@Numble (#464) thank you, I'll take that as compliment? I'll keep "fighting" with Romeo below
You're townreading Romeo (obvsly), Blaze, Styx (dep claim), Numble (ofc)
Why is Blaze town for you?
Because he shows a medium amount of activity? Is there reasoning behind it?
I mean I admit I am tunneling a bit because this is based on my R1 vote analysis which flagged you and Blaze as voting off the wagons (and in Blaze's case maybe a little bit of OMGUS too, because he's been after me so hard), but why?
Make me change my mind, please. (Well, that's a tough call, but I'd love to hear from you on this anyway. ;) )
"Will add more when I get home"?

Wertydoo #461 again (excerpt):
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wertydoo wrote:
Blaze wrote:
Emziek wrote:
Blaze wrote:
how are we not playing after my strats
Mendel is one of the last mafia
Numble is SK

Are u going to do a 1 in 7 chance on emziek before lynching one of these obvious threats?

Why are they obvious?


Numble the SK.
Cause numbles playstyle is very different this game compared to others. He stays low and is very quiet. Usually numble takes the lead, and disucsses alot. The only reason why he would stay low is because beeing sk. There is a difference between beeing a mafia and SK cause usually when you say something that brings attention, your mafiateamates can help u agree with your thoughts or more througly help you in bad situations by bringing other suspects to the table so your teamate wont be a suspect.

An SK dosent have this kind of help, and therefor needs to be causious with his actions and the way he interacts with people. Ofcourse there could be other suspects. But playing with numble a fair ammount of games helps u understand someones gamestyle. The way he plays is not usuall and there is a reason for that i stated before. He is the SK.

Mendel the mafia.
Mendel beeing mafia is less "obvious" because he is new in this community and understanding his gamestyle is hard. I think Mendel has done a very good job by the way he interacts with people, discusses andproves his points. Shoutout for that. I was alaways suspicious over Pat beeing mafia because the way he interacted with mendel and i told pat "if mendel is mafia then u sure as hell are". I was very wrong about that and guess that it makes me less trustable in this case. But I want to still take up how overdefensive he was when I brought up that he was mafia R0-R1, this is the mainreason (its psychological).

But you never listen about mendel. So Ill try numble
[Vote Numble]


Code:
Emziek - 2 - Wertydoo, Mendel
Numble - 2 - Styx, Blaze
No Vote - 6 - Romeo, Dangan, JTc, Emziek, Numble
Expected LHLV: Emziek


I don't know how I feel about this Blaze. It seems too obvious. Numble being as smart as we think he is, simply having a noticeably different playstyle seems like a rookie error to make and not in Numble's style. I personally do not think this is acceptable evidence.

Could someone else please comment on Numble's playstyle? Was Blaze reaching to jump on Styx's Numblewagon, or is that legitimate? JTc did confirm in #439, but I'd like another opinion for obvious reasons.
(We do know that Numble does not have a village power role, so is his present activity representative of him playing a normal villager?)

Romeo #470: JTc/Emziek/Lynch order
Sorry about "being a dickhead" yet again, but my perspective is different from yours.
Romeo wrote:
Time to expose everything and tell you guys the plan that might potentially end the game. As we all know we have 3 docs in the game. 1 is with mafia 2 are with us. 1 of ours is dead (Cruxell).
There are 2 left.
One of them has been helping us as townies, he claimed it to Numble and he also went against Kat when she showed the screenshot when everyone else believed that she was safe and clear.

Meanwhile, we have the other doctor who is a suspect who has been defending Numble, especially in this quote...
JTc wrote:
tbf we need to think about this lynch wisely as this is a gamedecider lynch, if Numble turns out to be villager, we could be fucked.
Trying to make us change our opinion on Numble, pretty f*cking obvious. He has also been trying to know information from me before I told everyone else,
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JTc - Yesterday at 8:32 PM
Who is our next lynch target.
Romeo - Yesterday at 8:33 PM
Why cant you wait?
JTc - Yesterday at 8:33 PM
because
im fucking going to sleep
and id like to know, i hate being in the dark

Romeo - Yesterday at 8:33 PM
Fine.
But..
JTc - Yesterday at 8:33 PM
its mad annoying
Romeo - Yesterday at 8:33 PM
WAit
actually
JTc - Yesterday at 8:33 PM
Ok so.
Romeo - Yesterday at 8:33 PM
I cant do it
Because its gonna be super dangerous
JTc - Yesterday at 8:33 PM
You tell me the lynch target, what would I possibly do with that info.
Romeo - Yesterday at 8:33 PM
I have to do like I did this round
JTc - Yesterday at 8:33 PM
Fine.
Romeo - Yesterday at 8:34 PM
Keep it till the end
JTc - Yesterday at 8:34 PM
anyways gn
Romeo - Yesterday at 8:34 PM
Good night and thanks for the help!

May 29, 2018

Romeo - Today at 8:33 AM
JTc, your next protection is for Wertydoo.(edited)
JTc - Today at 9:49 AM
Got you
JTc - Today at 10:11 AM
After what you pulled last round, not even gonna question anything xD
Romeo - Today at 10:12 AM
It was a team effort, you did your part my dude.
JTc - Today at 10:12 AM
:smiley:
Still to early for lynch target?
Romeo - Today at 10:32 AM
Yes.
JTc - Today at 10:32 AM
Got cha.
Romeo - Today at 10:33 AM
End of today should be found with evidence. Tomorrow should start voting.
JTc - Today at 10:33 AM
yeah theres plenty of time

I know I basically highlighted everything, but he was the only doctor that questioned me like this. He was the only one who kept wanting to know what was happening next.

Now, I did put all 3 doctors on Kat 2nd round which is why she died, the mafia had to know that an OD was coming since I had the 3 docs in hand, so JTc did it anyways because she was dead either way.

JTc was also the one on Draich on 1st round, the mafia obviously knew that Draich had PR after claiming it himself, so he could protect me and that is why they decided to put another doctor on him so he can be OD'd. Sorry Draich. Thanks for your sacrifice!
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Romeo - Last Sunday at 3:20 PM
Jtc who did you protect last round?
JTc - Last Sunday at 3:21 PM
draich :/

There is the chatlogs that show that he was protecting Numble ONCE AGAIN
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Numble SK?
cause im just following blaze for the memes
Romeo - Today at 2:38 PM
He might actually be mafia but either or its a threat to the village
JTc - Today at 2:38 PM
sk should be lynched first :/
since thats -1 daily kill
if we kill 1 mafia, they can still kill
if you get me
Romeo - Today at 2:39 PM
Yea.
Working on it still!
JTc - Today at 2:39 PM
But its hard to know who is who at this point
JTc - Today at 8:55 PM
We need to think this through, if Numble isn't SK its possible that we've lost.
Not sure what you think about this.

Romeo - Today at 8:57 PM
I got a plan thats gonna work
JTc - Today at 9:06 PM
kk


This is how the rest of the game will go.

This round Numble would be dead. 1 mafia down. Mafia will most likely shoot a villager with a PR but the doctor (Emz) knows what he is doing. Deputy is going for the peek for the possible SK since we know both mafias at this point. Should have 1 villager dead by this round, or 2, depending on how smart the mafia is.

Next round Full on JTc. Will have 1 mafia and the SK, will also have 2-3 villagers. We lynch mafia.

Only SK left now, if Deputy's peek fails then we still have a huge percentage of hitting the possible SK with the lynch with 1-2 villagers on last round. That would be game. That is my plan. Now let's get to work and LETS GET THIS DUB! Any suspicions or any thoughts, would love to know about them.
(why does this forum not do nested spoilers and quotes)
You are saying JTc claimed doctor. If he is the doctor, you just outed him, which is the second power role outed today, after Styx. But that's beside the point. With you, the cop, and the two doctors eliminated, that leaves 5 players with 2 scume (SK & mafia) among them, 40% chance if we randomly vote, 50% for me because I know I'm town/village. ;-P
We also have 2 doctor claims, one of which must be scum, so another 50% chance; but this one carries more risk because we're out a doctor if we're wrong (which we may be out of anyway, so meh).

Oh, and you outed Emziek as well when you wrote, "he claimed it to Numble and he also went against Kat". Why not go out and say his name? Mind games. If Emziek is the real doc, he dies tonight as he can't self-protect.

  • JTc: "this is a gamedecider lynch" & "he was protecting Numble ONCE AGAIN" = JTc:"if Numble isn't SK its possible that we've lost"
    we are now at 6:2:1, we lynch SK we still have 6:2:1 because tough, but 1 mafia night kill, 5:2:1 going into R4. Lynch SK again, one nightkill, 4:2 going into R5, which is good odds. Mislynch, then we have two night kills and 3:2:1 tomorrow, so with SK Meth = game over for us. There's a 50%25% (see below)[/s] chance the mislynch or the NK hits a tough, which puts us at 4:2:1 and then we have to hit the SK to shut down one of the night kills, 3:2:1 going into R5 and they control the lynch (2:1:1 if we hit mafia, same result). The doc could sway the odds a bit more in our favor, but you outed him? (actually, with scum going after cop&doc, the only way to hit a tough today would be the mislynch itself, so only 1/4 = 25% chance of that lucky event).

    I'm sorry, this is probably well known to all of you, but I'm new to setups like this, so I want to work through this publicly so we're all on the same page and you can catch any oversights I might be having. For completeness sake, what if we hit mafia first (e.g. Numble=Mafia, or JTc=Mafia). Then we do not lose a villager, but still 2 NK, so 4:1:1 into R4, lynching R4:mafia we get 3:0:1 and we win. Lynching R4:SK gets us 1 NK and 3:1:1 on R5 (barring the NK hitting our tough, then we have 4:1:1, lynch the SK and win), with 3:1:1 it depends on who wins LHLV, if we do then 2:1 for R6, otherwise we're down.

    Conclusion: to win for certain, we have to lynch R3:SK,R4:SK or R3:Mafia,R4:Mafia, even with R3:Mafia,R4:SK our victory is not assured.
    JTc was pointing out the truth. He hasn't advocated changing our vote, just to be very certain of it. And he was totally right.
  • "trying to know information from me before I told everyone else" & "he was the only doctor that questioned me like this. He was the only one who kept wanting to know what was happening next."
    Tbh I can empathize. I've not been asking because I know I'm suspect, so you shouldn't tell me (in fact, I think I told you that when we chatted?), but if JTc wasn't aware of another doc claim, he couldn't have known he was under suspicion, and had to assume he was a safe person for you to talk to. If Elziek did not ask you for this, then that makes him suspicious, as I'd expect Elziek would definitely want to help you strategize (going on his reputation here).
  • JTc was also the one on Draich on 1st round
    Seriously? There were two doctors on Draich that round, what if Elziek was the other one?
    If you know that Cruxell was on Mystic, then that compromises JTc absolutely, because Mystic had protection, and scum would not put protection on their own night kill unless they're more deeply into mind games than you are. This is the only argument you need, if it is true.
  • "This is how the rest of the game will go." tl;dr lynch Numble then TLc but as of #474 Romeo it is TLc then Numble
    As outlined above, lynching Mafia then SK is already risky for us. There are two ways this can go.
    1. If we know for certain Numble is scum, then we can lynch Numble, see if he is SK or mafia. If he's SK we lynch him again = win. If he's mafia, we lynch JTc, win. (Assuming the Cruxell confirmation here.)
    2. If we lynch JTc first, then we have to find a mafia by next round; if we think Numble is SK then we can't lynch him or we might have a problem. The peek can't decide that for us, since it only returns "guilty"? if we even have a peek, since cop=outed?

One more thought: in #468, you told Numble, "Also if you flip to be mafia, we know who the medic is." Were you thinking of JTc or Emziek at that time? [i]If it wasn't JTc, then you should doubt that Numble is mafia.
(Note that it doesn't work in reverse: JTc medic does not confirm Numble mafia.)



Do we know that Cruxell healed Draichrog R1?
If the answer is yes, then JTc must be mafia (and my EMziek/Numble/Blaze scum team is broken).
If the answer is no, then I think Emziek is actually more suspicious than JTc (and you know he's still my suspect for mafia mastermind).

I'm keeping my vote on Numble for now, hoping for more info.

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This is why I tend to keep off discord. Discord keeps me from thinking. This took 3 hours.


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#484 (ISO #71)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
I am arguing with you because your logic sucks. Haven't you noticed, I am arguing with everyone whose logic sucks?

* says he had provided all the info
* adds that Cruxell protected Draichrog, which was not provided

See, now JTc is 100% mafia.

Code:
Numble - 5 - Styx, Blaze, JTc, Emziek
JTc - 4 - Numble, Wertydoo, Romeo, Mendel
No Vote - 1 - Dangan
Expected LHLV: Numble


Now re-read my argument on the order of the lynches. Is Numble mafia? Do you know the 4th mafia? For certain? If you don't, please (and whoever is advising Romeo) think hard about the order you want to do this in. If you get this wrong, we have a problem.

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#486 (ISO #72)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
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#499 (ISO #73)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
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how does this work out in your brain.

romeo is confirmed, emziek is not

Romeo revealed Emziek as doc claim in #470
Romeo was the only doc who claimed to have protected Mystic
only one doc protected mystic
hence emziek is confirmed
on Romeo's word
and Romeo is confirmed and you trust him

Numble wrote:
@Mendel didn't someone say at some point that Blaze was confirmed? I may be badly informed about that one. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Dude, you overestimate my powers of recollection

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#507 (ISO #75)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R2 ends 8 PM EDT Tuesday
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1. Styx
2. Blaze
3. Mystic - Stabbed R1, Shot R1, Normal Villager
4. Cruxell Stabbed R2, Village Doctor
5. JTc - Lynched R3, Mafia Don
6. Numble - Shot R3, Villager (Miller)
7. Romeo - Stabbed R3, Normal Villager
8. Katika VS - Overdosed R2, Hitwoman
9. Draichrog - Overdosed R1, Village Cop
10. Lawliet - Lynched R2, Trainee
11. Dangan (subbed for Thierry Henry#CR7)
12. Patrick - Shot R2, Normal Villager
13. Emziek - Shot R0
14. Ultor - Stabbed R0, Lynched R1, Villager (Meth Addict)
15. Wertydoo
16. Mendel

Remaining roles:
1x Cop (former deputy)
1x Doctor
2x Normal Villager
1x Medic
1x Serial Killer

Remaining modifiers:
Tough


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#511 (ISO #76)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
Blaze
Please
We have two confirmed doctor actions r1, one was in the overdose on Draich, the other was in the Mystic protection
So we know that Emziek acted as doctor in round 1 even though he was hospitalized
Which according to your logic is impossible
But according to the rules it is possible
Because post #1 says hospitalization removes your vote
But does not mention the round action

If Emziek wasn't the doctor, then the real doctor would need to counterclaim now
Since this is still LyLo
But because Romeo confirmed Emziek as doctor we would not believe the counterclaim
And lynch the real doctor

Now Romeos mind games have been lying to us and withholding information that did not need to be withheld
But he hasnt been outright trolling us except right at the start
Oh and in R1 when he claimed mafia to styx and forced draich to out himself
But Draich actually was the cop
And Romeos lynch recommendations were always correct
His actual plays were always pro-town and not trolling
So while I believe he was messing with us in many unnecessary ways
He would not let us go into LyLo with a fake claim in the open
Because that would make us likely to lynch a real role
So unless Emziek and Styx start to turn on each other (because Romeo told one of them the other is fake)
I trust that things are as they seem

I hope Styx has a helpful peek for us today

Because half of my scum guesses have turned up dead villagers now
And my mafia mastermind guess turned out to be our doctor
Which was also basically what happened when I was spectating the mafia championships
HATER can confirm

I am basically planning to go along with Emziek today
Since we are at 4:1:1 and SK vote counts double, town only has a single vote advantage on scum
Which means we all need to be together on this
And lynch the medic
If we lynch the SK, we lose
If one of us votes on a townie, scum will pile on that vote at End of Day and get them lynched and we lose
And I am certainly not going to be the one who messes this up
I trust Emziek a lot more to not mess this up than I do Styx
But they need to agree anyway because (see above)

[Follow Emziek]

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#512 (ISO #77)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
Excerpt of my chat with Styx ca. 48 hours ago
Quote:
[13:35] Håvard: all i want is your 2 top picks for townies

[13:35] mendel: Dangan

[13:36] Håvard: that a nice 2 people

[13:37] mendel: Bla
[13:37] mendel: Dammit let me look at the player list and think
[13:37] mendel: Blaze
[13:37] mendel: Maybe blaze because only villagers tunnel that hard
[13:38] mendel: And i dont expect he can fake it

[13:38] Håvard: i do think hes done something similiar before
[13:38] Håvard: he just straight pulled a troll as mafia

[13:38] mendel: If blaze is scum then he is awesome

[13:38] Håvard: died n2
[13:38] Håvard: or n3
[13:38] Håvard: and game ended on his death
[13:38] Håvard: (LAPD was his co-mafia that died first night)

[13:39] mendel: Dangan because thierry was off and we had r1 night actions spot on

[13:39] Håvard: if sk is afk
[13:39] Håvard: does that randomize his actions+

[13:39] mendel: Sounds correct
[13:39] mendel: It is what id do

[13:40] Håvard: thus the mafia and sk targetting mystic could be a sick coincidence

[13:40] mendel: Yeah so dangan is 1/15 likely town
[13:40] mendel: Argh scum
[13:41] mendel: Which is way better odds than random right now
[13:41] mendel: Actually the odds are 2/15 randing romeo would also look like it was planned
[13:42] mendel: Or double hit on draich 3/15 = 20%
[13:42] mendel: we have 33% scum now

I didn't expect this to become so relevant so soon. It turns out I must've been wrong on at least one of them.
Btw, HATER had indeed confirmed that Dangan's R1 action would have been randed, in #299.

Blaze is the only player left alive who voted off-wagon on R1. And Thierry didn't vote at all, which is why I excluded him from my scum team guess, but maybe he did submit a night action when he resigned. I haven't seen anything hard on wertydoo either. I'd ISO them, except that Emziek is probably doing that already, and he's bound to be able to get a better read on them than I can. (Which was kinda my point in that hypothetical"lynch myself as cop" argument we had.) Maybe I'll do it anyway. We shall see.

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#513 (ISO #78)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
I asked Numble for his read list while the wagon on him was going, since I didn't rule out the possibility that he was town; and since nobody here is in the habit of doing that, we're lucky to have this at least now that he's dead.

#464
Numble wrote:
Main suspects:

Werty: Extremely active. Something just doesn't feel quite right about him.
Mendel: Extremely active as well. It's possible for to be the SK given how's been playing. Attempting to be pro village but actually fighting with a confirmed villager.
JTc: Awfully quiet. 0 input public. Typical troll but can be active if he feels like he's got a chance. Can be the SK considering he doesn't participate much publicly, so he'd avoid the spot light.[/s]
Emz: Claiming Doc that early can lead to a coin. Could be Medic attempting to go for an OD or legit medic avoiding the main spotlight. Hard to read, tough to deal late game.
These are my main suspects at the moment. Will add more when I get home.

He also posted on Thierry/dangan, and on Blaze after I pressed him.
#465
Numble wrote:
Also as you can see, I posted jackshit about Henry/Dangan cuz they've been just AFK overall. Dangan even then has almost no presence in the forum.

#498
Numble wrote:
@Mendel didn't someone say at some point that Blaze was confirmed? I may be badly informed about that one. Please correct me if I'm wrong.


JTc is lynched now, and Romeo outed Emziek as doc in #470, and Styx is missing from the list because he's deputy cop.

I don't remember Blaze being confirmed, maybe that happened on the discord? The R0 peek was Romeo, the R1 peek got lost due to Draichrog's death, the R2 peek was on Cruxell, all roles are claimed, so Blaze could not have been properly confirmed anyway, or could he?

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#516 (ISO #79)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
HATER wrote:
Starting now, I will give everyone the option to do a 24 hour speedround. If you wish to lock your vote on a player, add a * to your name on their vote tally. To unlock, simply remove the *.

If in 24 hours, a majority of the game has locked their vote, the round will end then. Otherwise, it will continue for the full 48 hours.[/b]

so this is actually terrible for me because 2 a.m.
Usually I would only have to be up at 2 am after the 48 hours so i get one night where i can go to bed a bit earlier, but if there is a potential 24h deadline I have to stay up to see if there are any last minute mind changes that I need to follow, as has happened R1; and the decision to short-end the day could also be made on very short notice

typical LyLo in other setups that have hammer is that as soon as a townie votes on a mislynch, scum will jump on it and hammer, lynching them instantly. Here, we have timed lynches, so hammering is not possible, except that if there's one or two town votes locked then scum could jump on a wrong vote and lock it for a speedlynch at a few minutes to deadline. This means that the 24h deadline has to be watched as closely as the 48h deadline,which means I may have to stay awake past my bedtime on both days

and catching up on sleep during the day is difficult in the current heat wave

If we could have the speed lynch decided 4 hours in advance, i.e. at 4 PM EDT we see if there's a majority of locked votes, then these votes stay locked and then the day ends 4 hours later, that would work for me. We should only do that if we agree on the wagon the way we did the last two days tho, spread votes locked is the path to damnation.

Obvious question: does the SK's double vote extend to determining majority for speed lynch? because then maybe we could use that to hunt him down, do a 3 locked 3 unlocked and clear half the player base?

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#531 (ISO #81)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
Dangan wrote:
Lowkey feeling Wertydoo is medic who sacced JTc early to make himself look more safe but the less wild theory is Mendel being the medic because of his voting patterns being all around the place creating confusion among the village and avoiding bandwagons so he can't later be accused of being part of a village lynch which is usually mafia behavior to try avoid attention. You guys should have more information and I don't really have a case for myself.



I have been searching for the word "vote" in the ISOs of the unconfirmed players, myself included. This should be a complete list of votes for Blaze (11), Dangan (3), Mendel (13), and wertydoo (11). Thierry Henry#CR7 never voted.

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Day 1

#68 wertydoo
Draichrog - 2 - Patrick, wertydoo
Patrick - 1 - Romeo

#77 Blaze
Mendel - 1 - Blaze
Draichrog - 3 - Patrick, wertydoo, Lawliet
Patrick - 1 - Romeo

#117 Mendel
Cruxell - 1 - Patrick
Mendel - 2 - Blaze, Mystic
Draichrog - 2 - wertydoo, Lawliet
Patrick - 1 - Romeo, Mendel
wertydoo - 1 - Draichrog

#129 Mendel
Cruxell - 1 - Patrick
Mendel - 4 - Blaze, Mystic, JTc, Romeo
Draichrog - 2 - wertydoo, Lawliet
wertydoo - 1 - Draichrog
Thierry Henry#CR7 - 1- Cruxell
Katika VS - 1- Mendel

#132 wertydoo
Cruxell - 1 - Patrick
Mendel - 4 - Blaze, Mystic, JTc, Romeo
Draichrog - 1 - Lawliet
wertydoo - 1 - Draichrog
Thierry Henry#CR7 - 1- Cruxell
Katika VS - 1- Mendel
Blaze - 1 - wertydoo

#149 Mendel
Mendel - 3 - Blaze, Mystic, Romeo
Romeo - 3 - Styx, JTc, Katika VS
Cruxell - 2 - Patrick, Numble
Thierry Henry#CR7 - 2 - Cruxell, Mendel
Blaze - 1 - wertydoo
Draichrog - 1 - Lawliet
wertydoo - 1 - Draichrog

#153 wertydoo
Mendel - 3 - Blaze, Mystic, Romeo
Romeo - 4 - Styx, JTc, Katika VS, wertydoo
Cruxell - 2 - Patrick, Numble
Draichrog - 1 - Lawliet
Katika VS - 1 - Mendel
Thierry Henry#CR7 - 1 - Cruxell
wertydoo - 1 - Draichrog

#179 Mendel
Mendel - 3 - Blaze, Mystic, Romeo
Romeo - 3 - Styx, JTc, Katika VS
Cruxell - 3 - Patrick, Numble, Lawliet
Blaze - 1 - wertydoo
Emziek - 1 - Cruxell
wertydoo - 1 - Draichrog
Ultor - 1- Mendel

#189 Blaze
Mendel - 2 - Mystic, Romeo
Romeo - 3 - Styx, JTc, Katika VS, wertydoo
Cruxell - 3 - Patrick, Numble, Lawliet
Emziek - 1 - Cruxell
wertydoo - 1 - Draichrog
Ultor - 1- Mendel
Draichrog - 1 - Blaze

#215 wertydoo
Romeo - 2 - JTc, Katika VS
Cruxell - 3 - Patrick, Numble, Lawliet
Draichrog - 2 - Blaze, Styx
Lawliet - 2 - Mystic, wertydoo
Ultor - 1 - Mendel
Emziek - 1 - Cruxell
Styx - 1 - Draichrog

#216 Blaze
Romeo - 2 - JTc, Katika VS
Lawliet - 3 - Mystic, wertydoo, Blaze
Cruxell - 3 - Patrick, Numble, Lawliet
Draichrog - 1 - Styx
Ultor - 1 - Mendel
Emziek - 1 - Cruxell
Styx - 1 - Draichrog

#220 Blaze
Romeo - 2 - JTc, Katika VS
Lawliet - 3 - Mystic, wertydoo, Patrick, Romeo
Cruxell - 2 - Numble, Lawliet
Draichrog - 1 - Styx
Ultor - 1 - Mendel
Emziek - 1 - Cruxell
Styx - 1 - Draichrog
Mendel - 1 - Blaze

#233 wertydoo
Romeo - 2 - JTc, Katika VS
Lawliet - 3 - Mystic, Patrick, Romeo
Cruxell - 3 - Numble, Lawliet, wertydoo
Draichrog - 1 - Styx
Ultor - 1 - Mendel
Emziek - 1 - Cruxell
Styx - 1 - Draichrog
Mendel - 1 - Blaze

#239 Mendel
Romeo - 3 - JTc, Katika VS, Styx
Lawliet - 2 - Mystic, Patrick
Cruxell - 3 - Numble, Lawliet, wertydoo
Emziek - 1 - Cruxell
Draichrog - 1 - Mendel
Styx - 1 - Draichrog
Mendel - 1 - Blaze

#244 wertydoo
Romeo - 3 - JTc, Katika VS, Styx
Lawliet - 1 - Mystic
Cruxell - 2 - Numble, Lawliet
Emziek - 1 - Cruxell
Draichrog - 1 - Mendel
Styx - 1 - Draichrog
Mendel - 1 - Blaze
Ultor - 2 - Patrick, wertydoo

#248 Mendel
Romeo - 2 - JTc, Katika VS, Mendel
Lawliet - 1 - Mystic
Cruxell - 2 - Numble, Lawliet
Emziek - 1 - Cruxell
Styx - 1 - Draichrog
Mendell - 2 - Blaze, Romeo
Ultor - 3 - Patrick, wertydoo, Styx

Code:
Romeo - 3 - JTc, Mendel, Lawliet
Lawliet - 1 - Mystic
Cruxell - 1 - Numble
Emziek - 1 - Cruxell
Styx - 1 - Draichrog
Mendell - 2 - Blaze, Romeo
Ultor - 5 - Patrick, Wertydoo, Styx, Mystic, Katika VS

Expected LHLV - Ultor

No vote - 1 - Thierry Henry#CR7
Incapacitated - 2 - Emziek, Ultor


Day 2

#266 Blaze
Mendel - 1 - Blaze

#272 Mendel
Mendel - 1 - Blaze
Cruxell - 1- Mendel

#295 Blaze
Cruxell - 2 - Patrick, Mendel
Lawliet - 2 - Cruxell, Blaze

#308 wertydoo
Cruxell - 3 - Patrick, Mendel, wertydoo
Lawliet - 2 - Cruxell, Blaze

#327 Blaze
Cruxell - 4 - Patrick, Mendel, wertydoo, Numble
Lawliet - 1 - Cruxell
Mendel - 1 - Blaze

#343 Mendel
Cruxell - 3 - Patrick, wertydoo, Numble
Lawliet - 3 - Cruxell, Romeo, Mendel
Mendel - 1 - Blaze

#361 Mendel
Cruxell - 3 - wertydoo, Numble, Mendel
Lawliet - 4 - Cruxell, Romeo, Patrick, Styx
Mendel - 1 - Blaze

#369 Dangan
Cruxell - 3 - wertydoo, Numble, Mendel
Lawliet - 5 - Cruxell, Romeo, Patrick, Styx, Dangan
Mendel - 1 - Blaze

#380 Blaze
Cruxell - 4 - wertydoo, Numble, Mendel, Lawliet
Lawliet - 7 - Cruxell, Romeo, Patrick, Styx, Dangan, JTc, Blaze

#390 Mendel
Cruxell - 2 - Numble, Lawliet
Lawliet - 10 - Cruxell, Romeo, Patrick, Styx, Dangan, JTc, Blaze, Katika VS, wertydoo, Mendel

#392 Blaze
Cruxell - 2 - Numble, Lawliet
Lawliet - 9 - Cruxell, Romeo, Patrick, Styx, Dangan, JTc, Katika VS, wertydoo, Mendel
Katika VS - 1 - Blaze

Code:
Lawliet - 12 - Cruxell, Romeo, Patrick, Styx, Dangan, JTc, Katika VS, Wertydoo, Mendel, Emziek, Numble, Lawliet
Katika VS - 1 - Blaze
Expected LHLV: Lawliet


Day 3

#416 wertydoo
Emziek - 1 - wertydoo

#429 Mendel
Emziek - 2 - wertydoo, Mendel

#437 Blaze
Emziek - 2 - wertydoo, Mendel
Numble - 2 - Styx, Blaze

#460 Mendel
Emziek - 1 - wertydoo
Numble - 6 - Styx, Blaze, Romeo, JTc, Emziek, Mendel
Dangan - 1 - Numble

#462 wertydoo
Mendel - 1 - wertydoo
Numble - 6 - Styx, Blaze, Romeo, JTc, Emziek, Mendel
Dangan - 1 - Numble

#473 wertydoo
Numble - 6 - Styx, Blaze, Romeo, JTc, Emziek, Mendel
JTc - 2 - Numble, wertydoo

#464 Mendel
Numble - 5 - Styx, Blaze, JTc, Emziek
JTc - 4 - Numble, wertydoo, Romeo, Mendel

#491 Dangan
Numble - 3 - Styx, Blaze, JTc
JTc - 6 - Numble, wertydoo, Romeo, Mendel, Emziek, Dangan

Code:
Numble - 3 - Styx, Blaze, JTc
JTc - 6 - Numble, Wertydoo, Romeo, Mendel, Emziek, Dangan
Expected LHLV: JTc


Day 4

#517 Blaze
Mendel - 1 - Blaze

#524 wertydoo
Mendel - 1 - Blaze
Dangan - 1 - wertydoo

#529 Dangan
Mendel - 1 - Blaze, Dangan
Dangan - 1 - wertydoo

For myself, I have been using my vote to pressure players to do certain things I asked of them, especially at the beginning of round 1. A vote does not always correspond with the intent to lynch; and I always provide reasoning with my vote, reducing confusion (I hope).

Why would Lawliet and Katika thank wertydoo for post #404?

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#532 (ISO #82)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
Self preservation vote, I'm not committed to lynching Dangan
[vote: Dangan]
Code:
Mendel - 2 - Blaze, Dangan
Dangan - 2 - Wertydoo, Mendel

No vote - 42-  Styx, Emziek
Expected LHLV: Mendel


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#534 (ISO #83)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
that happens when you delete the space and not the number
and when you're posting when you should be asleep

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#545 (ISO #85)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
[vote:Mendel]
Code:
Dangan - 3 - Wertydoo, Styx, Emziek
Mendel - 3 - Blaze, Dangan, Mendel

Expected LHLV: Dangan


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#547 (ISO #86)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
oh shit i missed the deadline
sorry Dangan

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#549 (ISO #87)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
This is for you, Blaze!
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#554 (ISO #88)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
Roster Run

0. HATER
Thanks for having me!
You've been a good and supportive host through all my questions and troubles.
Would sign up again.
(Dude also played an excellent game of mafia in the championships)

1. Styx
good strategist
45 minute interview with me on DM
"you call this waste I call this bonding"
bonding is not stressful af :-P
you can be on my team any day

2. Blaze
your gut feels are unrivalled
I made you a certificate

3. Mystic
you were thrust into a difficult situation and came up with a good solution
which handed katika and romeo to Romeo
I would have enjoyed seeing you play longer than this

4. Cruxell
still don't know much about you
made that nice colorful roster R2 that I appropriated, thank you

5. JTc
fine scum mate and fake cop

6. Numble
overall nice guy and good player, because you were the "master manipulator" the last time this setup was played, I overestimated you here

7. Romeo
thrust in a difficult situation heading up the informed town minority
apologies for riding you so hard, wouldn't normally have done that
if you now think I am an arsehole I totally understand
when you started our private chat with "i trust you" (which was a lie) you pissed me off tho

8. Katika VS
best benevolent goddess ever
would have you on my scum team any day
must talk about creationism and christianity and big bang sometime
Queen of the game

9. Draichrog
didn't see enough of you except claiming cop too early
not sure what was behind that play so I dunno

10. Lawliet
most talkative scum buddy, sorry Mystic had your number
you helped me most in finding my bearings
and your advice was always sound

11. Thierry Henry#CR7
11. Dangan
play more
this game is more fun when you do
especially as villager

12. Patrick
dude you are on the level
still don't know why my scum team killed you
you are a joy to talk with even when we suspect each other

13. Emziek
not happy about your attempt to patronize me
though it may have been justified
but in the end you lost
this time anyway

14. Ultor
i still don't know if your BS advice is strategy or just you
you're nice to talk to though
I may have overestimated you
but I like you

15. Wertydoo
most awesome honorary mafia ever
and a nice guy to talk to
and an overall good player
also a joy to talk to even when suspecting each other
even more joy being on the same team with you

16. Mendel
had a really rough start to this environment,
most of my complaints were more or less true
was only able to see 30 minutes before r1 end after being away for 11 hours before that
took a lot more of my time than i had budgeted and what would have been good for me
awesome experience tho
worth it


P.S. my random read list was actually random, rolled once, never modified (and decided upon before the game started). Hope you didn't spend too much time figuring angles on that. ;-P

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#561 (ISO #89)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
Cruxell wrote:
HATER wrote:

-Mafia and SK will kill village players until the game reaches a 1 SK 1 maf 1 villager situation, at which point the SK will concede a victory to the mafia team, leaving mafia at parity with village, thus winning the game.

Ergo, I am calling the game in favor of the mafia team.


I get the logic behind this, but why would the SK concede the victory to the mafia? Can't he stab the last remaining mafia?

Yes, mechanically the SK could force a win in his favor, but wertydoo offered to concede the game. I think he likes the idea of a player new to this site winning this game. ;)

Quote:
HATER wrote:
I See You Award: The SK and Mafia teams, who peeked each other simultaneously R2 and decided to work together.

Were they told that they were peeked by the other party, or did they just decide to tell the other person that they peeked them? Quite an interesting plot twist tbh.

Well, we peeked werty, and JTc contacted him, and then werty contacted me saying, "I need to talk to you and JTc". This was early in R3. We decided to contact the SK because by that point we were unable to win the game on our own, and offered werty the win should he join us and help fight village.

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Romeo, might I ask who all claimed doctor to you? You said there were three claims, so I reckon it must've been me, Emziek and Mendel. Also who all protected Katika when she was overdosed? All 3 doc/med roles or just 2?

JTc was the mafia who claimed medic. We did not target Katika as we hoped Romeo would be trying to test doctors and only told two to overdose her, but he played it safe and so she died anyway.

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#563 (ISO #90)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
HATER wrote:
WTF Award VI: The mafia team, for overthinking romeo's reveal horribly making most of the wrong R3 calls

On re-reading it, I think this is actually mostly my award :facepalm:

it made so much sense tho, Romeo claiming the peek only after Mystic did, Draich claiming cop to save him, and somehow the lynch hitting neither of them, but Ultor, and all of the mind games: it all seemed motivated by the desire to hide Romeo's cop role. It would've made so much sense! Brought order to the chaos that was round 1! I felt good the whole day because I thought I had solved the game!

And if Romeo was the doc, Emziek had to be a decoy. Styx claiming deputy on discord before round 2 ended? I still don't understand that play. Apparently it worked tho, since Styx survived. Never underestimate the power of a good WTF to mislead the enemy!

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#564 (ISO #91)  Re: Mafia XXXXI: Defibrilation (Redux) R3 ends 8 PM EDT Wednesday
HATER wrote:
Unluckeeee Award: Mystic, for randomly picking two mafia members to tell who the 3rd mafia member they found was.

I think it goes underappreciated that Mystic picked the SK to talk the strategy over with, and that werty said
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Also I would like to ask now
Im kind of playing carry towny right now
So dont allow me to be among your two
Because i already have a lot of pressure

with the result of
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Mystic - I notified a 3rd user of the 2 names I dished out initially, so that if people start claiming i was contacted by mystic while my real contacts are dead, and can't respond, that 3rd guy is there to say: BUT WAIT, you are the only one with this info
or maybe not... :^)

Brian - I assume thts not me since I didnt get two names

Mystic - nope, i left u out, as per your request

Wertydoo could have been the third informant, potentially making Mystics picks be Mafia Trainee, Mafia Hitman, Serial Killer!

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