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#11 (ISO #1)  Re: Assassins XII: Power Up!
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#111 (ISO #2)  Re: Assassins XII: Power Up!
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@Lawliet you haven't said anything iirc

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#112 (ISO #3)  Re: Assassins XII: Power Up!
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#157 (ISO #4)  Re: Assassins XII: Power Up!
K0ntRa wrote:
Rainboy wrote:
!!!*_Uncle-Leo_*!!! wrote:
What a bit suspect is for me is SiX voted on Panda.
Then Sweedy changed his vote from Kontra to Panda.
And now Kontra vote on Panda.
So that looks a bit for me that those 3 maybe play for the same team (mafia 1 or 2).
I don't know for which team Panda plays, maybe for mafia too but that bandwagon on him, with the spontanly vote change from Sweedy = Kontra --> Panda is suspicious for me and voting on him if he is new doesnt make really sense for me. Maybe he played some games like this in another place and not in nD. For me i can't say much to him e.g. he is new.

I would like to change my vote to one of those 3 and after i feel like they need to protect SiX wit that vote i go on with my vote on SiX. Also his Isolate shows 3 post at all too and he is mostly more active if he plays for village (just my thoughts). I think Panda deserves a chance to stay allive and i would like to read out a bit more of him in some posts. Be sure Panda my next vote goes on you next round if i don't hear more from you and your thoughts.

[vote SiX]


I thought SiX's post about being a bully and Kontra's argument for lynching a new player because he's new both seemed fishy, but I certainly wouldn't go around calling them mafia yet.


@Kontra - Lynching new players is bad both in a game sense and a meta game sense. On the meta side, lynching new players without cause serves to make the game elitist where the 'experienced' players control the game and kill off the new players so they can decide things amongst themselves. New players should be fostered and given chances to get better at the game. On the game side, new players are incredibly easy to read, in general, and when deciding who to lynch with no info (our standard R1 situation), it's usually best to lynch people you have a hard time reading. A new player will usually reveal whether he's mafia later in the game because of his inexperience.

In short, lynching new players is bad unless you have a good reason. FoS on you for that. Seems to me like a cop out; perhaps to save SiX as Leo said, or perhaps just because you haven't thought through the logic.


No new player is that bad (with the exception of Leo) that he will reveal himself accidentally.
Rainboy wrote:
it's usually best to lynch people you have a hard time reading.

And by that you mean people who can actually contribute something to the game? For instance, Panda has made only post since the start of the game, which consists of 2-3 words. SiX is an experienced player who will certainly discuss a lot.
It seems to me that you misunderstood me a bit, firstly I voted Panda because he is AFK, not new. Okay, I did write "new" as well, but I meant new as "noobish". The round ends soon and it's becoming clear that either Panda, SiX or WaywardVole is gonna be lynched. Either we vote out somebody who we cannot really expect to contribute a lot to the game - or a pro who will most likely talk a lot. I don't know about you, but I'd rather go with the first option. Rainboy, you have a valid point that Panda is easier to read etc..., but I personally prefer to keep someone active and experienced in the game.
We've gotta lynch somebody - lynching nobody is a bad idea since we wouldn't get any leads whatsoever on people if we would do so.
TL;DR, Somebody has to go, and I wouldn't mind if that somebody would be Panda who has made only one post since the start of the game.



"noobish" is not a reason... and I really doubt he's a mafia at this point.. because if he is then his teammates would've told him what to do to get out of this situation. your other reason was being afk.. I believe ARSENIC and styx have contributed nothing so far.. could you explain why it has to be panda. The guy got a cute avatar.. leave em alone...
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#162 (ISO #5)  Re: Assassins XII: Power Up!
[Vote Styx]
SAVE THE PANDAS..

1. I really don't think panda is a mafia.. the reason is explained in my previous post and in Rain's post.
2. Pressure Styx to get him to talk.

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#173 (ISO #6)  Re: Assassins XII: Power Up!
K0ntRa wrote:
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Lawliet wrote:
K0ntRa wrote:
Rainboy wrote:
!!!*_Uncle-Leo_*!!! wrote:
What a bit suspect is for me is SiX voted on Panda.
Then Sweedy changed his vote from Kontra to Panda.
And now Kontra vote on Panda.
So that looks a bit for me that those 3 maybe play for the same team (mafia 1 or 2).
I don't know for which team Panda plays, maybe for mafia too but that bandwagon on him, with the spontanly vote change from Sweedy = Kontra --> Panda is suspicious for me and voting on him if he is new doesnt make really sense for me. Maybe he played some games like this in another place and not in nD. For me i can't say much to him e.g. he is new.

I would like to change my vote to one of those 3 and after i feel like they need to protect SiX wit that vote i go on with my vote on SiX. Also his Isolate shows 3 post at all too and he is mostly more active if he plays for village (just my thoughts). I think Panda deserves a chance to stay allive and i would like to read out a bit more of him in some posts. Be sure Panda my next vote goes on you next round if i don't hear more from you and your thoughts.

[vote SiX]


I thought SiX's post about being a bully and Kontra's argument for lynching a new player because he's new both seemed fishy, but I certainly wouldn't go around calling them mafia yet.


@Kontra - Lynching new players is bad both in a game sense and a meta game sense. On the meta side, lynching new players without cause serves to make the game elitist where the 'experienced' players control the game and kill off the new players so they can decide things amongst themselves. New players should be fostered and given chances to get better at the game. On the game side, new players are incredibly easy to read, in general, and when deciding who to lynch with no info (our standard R1 situation), it's usually best to lynch people you have a hard time reading. A new player will usually reveal whether he's mafia later in the game because of his inexperience.

In short, lynching new players is bad unless you have a good reason. FoS on you for that. Seems to me like a cop out; perhaps to save SiX as Leo said, or perhaps just because you haven't thought through the logic.


No new player is that bad (with the exception of Leo) that he will reveal himself accidentally.
Rainboy wrote:
it's usually best to lynch people you have a hard time reading.

And by that you mean people who can actually contribute something to the game? For instance, Panda has made only post since the start of the game, which consists of 2-3 words. SiX is an experienced player who will certainly discuss a lot.
It seems to me that you misunderstood me a bit, firstly I voted Panda because he is AFK, not new. Okay, I did write "new" as well, but I meant new as "noobish". The round ends soon and it's becoming clear that either Panda, SiX or WaywardVole is gonna be lynched. Either we vote out somebody who we cannot really expect to contribute a lot to the game - or a pro who will most likely talk a lot. I don't know about you, but I'd rather go with the first option. Rainboy, you have a valid point that Panda is easier to read etc..., but I personally prefer to keep someone active and experienced in the game.
We've gotta lynch somebody - lynching nobody is a bad idea since we wouldn't get any leads whatsoever on people if we would do so.
TL;DR, Somebody has to go, and I wouldn't mind if that somebody would be Panda who has made only one post since the start of the game.



"noobish" is not a reason... and I really doubt he's a mafia at this point.. because if he is then his teammates would've told him what to do to get out of this situation. your other reason was being afk.. I believe ARSENIC and styx have contributed nothing so far.. could you explain why it has to be panda. The guy got a cute avatar.. leave em alone...
[Vote K0ntra] :/

Once again, we had to lynch somebody, and I know that Panda isn't the only one who hasn't talked a lot, but I chose to vote him because I honestly doubt he would be active a lot in the future.


I understand your R1 lynch targets were the afks right ?

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#195 (ISO #7)  Re: Assassins XII: Power Up!
K0ntRa wrote:
Lawliet wrote:
K0ntRa wrote:
Spoiler: show
Lawliet wrote:
K0ntRa wrote:
Rainboy wrote:
!!!*_Uncle-Leo_*!!! wrote:
What a bit suspect is for me is SiX voted on Panda.
Then Sweedy changed his vote from Kontra to Panda.
And now Kontra vote on Panda.
So that looks a bit for me that those 3 maybe play for the same team (mafia 1 or 2).
I don't know for which team Panda plays, maybe for mafia too but that bandwagon on him, with the spontanly vote change from Sweedy = Kontra --> Panda is suspicious for me and voting on him if he is new doesnt make really sense for me. Maybe he played some games like this in another place and not in nD. For me i can't say much to him e.g. he is new.

I would like to change my vote to one of those 3 and after i feel like they need to protect SiX wit that vote i go on with my vote on SiX. Also his Isolate shows 3 post at all too and he is mostly more active if he plays for village (just my thoughts). I think Panda deserves a chance to stay allive and i would like to read out a bit more of him in some posts. Be sure Panda my next vote goes on you next round if i don't hear more from you and your thoughts.

[vote SiX]


I thought SiX's post about being a bully and Kontra's argument for lynching a new player because he's new both seemed fishy, but I certainly wouldn't go around calling them mafia yet.


@Kontra - Lynching new players is bad both in a game sense and a meta game sense. On the meta side, lynching new players without cause serves to make the game elitist where the 'experienced' players control the game and kill off the new players so they can decide things amongst themselves. New players should be fostered and given chances to get better at the game. On the game side, new players are incredibly easy to read, in general, and when deciding who to lynch with no info (our standard R1 situation), it's usually best to lynch people you have a hard time reading. A new player will usually reveal whether he's mafia later in the game because of his inexperience.

In short, lynching new players is bad unless you have a good reason. FoS on you for that. Seems to me like a cop out; perhaps to save SiX as Leo said, or perhaps just because you haven't thought through the logic.


No new player is that bad (with the exception of Leo) that he will reveal himself accidentally.
Rainboy wrote:
it's usually best to lynch people you have a hard time reading.

And by that you mean people who can actually contribute something to the game? For instance, Panda has made only post since the start of the game, which consists of 2-3 words. SiX is an experienced player who will certainly discuss a lot.
It seems to me that you misunderstood me a bit, firstly I voted Panda because he is AFK, not new. Okay, I did write "new" as well, but I meant new as "noobish". The round ends soon and it's becoming clear that either Panda, SiX or WaywardVole is gonna be lynched. Either we vote out somebody who we cannot really expect to contribute a lot to the game - or a pro who will most likely talk a lot. I don't know about you, but I'd rather go with the first option. Rainboy, you have a valid point that Panda is easier to read etc..., but I personally prefer to keep someone active and experienced in the game.
We've gotta lynch somebody - lynching nobody is a bad idea since we wouldn't get any leads whatsoever on people if we would do so.
TL;DR, Somebody has to go, and I wouldn't mind if that somebody would be Panda who has made only one post since the start of the game.



"noobish" is not a reason... and I really doubt he's a mafia at this point.. because if he is then his teammates would've told him what to do to get out of this situation. your other reason was being afk.. I believe ARSENIC and styx have contributed nothing so far.. could you explain why it has to be panda. The guy got a cute avatar.. leave em alone...
[Vote K0ntra] :/

Once again, we had to lynch somebody, and I know that Panda isn't the only one who hasn't talked a lot, but I chose to vote him because I honestly doubt he would be active a lot in the future.


I understand your R1 lynch targets were the afks right ?

Yes, isolation.php?tid=26498&pid=8202


well this is interesting..

because last time you played your opinion about R1 lynch was:
K0ntRa wrote:

Voting out AFKs is a waste of lynch IMO. Plus, it's extremely risky (25% - 75%). I don't think I will vote for an AFK guy... ever.


This time however:
K0ntRa wrote:
*Sigh*
I'm not gonna be online 3-4 hours before round end, so I'll [vote Panda] now. The thing is, it's tied between SiX and Panda at the moment (Panda would be lynched anyway but still) and I doubt it will change significantly as the round ends soon. I'd prefer that Panda gets lynched because he is new (played only 1 game prior to this if I'm not mistaken) and has only 1 grp (game-related post) other than the first post [in]. We've gotta lynch somebody and better be an AFK guy then a pro and a nazi.

The problem about this game is that there's not 2 (main) teams as usual, instead there's 3 which makes it very tricky for the villies to spot voting patterns. Hypothetically, if Panda flipped mafia, we won't be able to trust people who voted him anything more than we trust them now. As far we know, they might be mafia too.


so..
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#198 (ISO #8)  Re: Assassins XII: Power Up!
K0ntRa wrote:
K0ntRa wrote:
Voting out AFKs is a waste of lynch IMO. Plus, it's extremely risky (25% - 75%). I don't think I will vote for an AFK guy... ever.

This game the chances are 47%, not 25% which is twice more.

Also in that game from which you quoted what I said people wanted to lynch an AFK guy just because of being AFK IIRC, there wasn't a bandwagon on anyone else, this game it's different - either AFK or not AFK. I don't see why this is suspicious to some.

I admit, it's an interesting idea you came up with, but if I was you, I would've waited to see if SiX will flip inno or mafia.


what I understand from that quote is that you're against voting afks in general.. you said it, it's a waste of lynch. "Plus, it's risky."

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#203 (ISO #9)  Re: Assassins XII: Power Up!
Ultor wrote:
Okay, so we need to concentrate on those 4, there is atleast 1 mafia here.
Code:
Styx - 4 - NumBle, Rainboy, Lawliet, katCrusader

The fact that Rainboy, Lawliet and katCrusader changed their vote just before round end is very suspicious- especially the time difference between Lawliet's and katCrusaders's post: only 6 mins. This suggests that there is a connection between the 2.

NumBle's reason to lynch Styx:
NumBle wrote:
Because I wanna hear what you have to say and considering you know how to play this better than most people here, quite odd you're behaving "stupidly".

Note that the quote above was the only post related to the vote, even though Styx responded, NumBle kept his vote.
NumBle wrote:
And back then I had a Power role. Does it look like I have one now if I'm shouting all around the game? Besides voting off someone who's active is like grabbing a dagger and backstabbing each villager one by one.

This was NumBle's reply to my post. From this we conclude that NumBle does not have any PR role (IF he was telling the truth). Again as mentioned previously, NumBle's activity and playstyle does not match in this game. I've noticed from the games he played that he becomes very active as a mafia and stays low as a villager. Please do note that mafia tend to be active too, so voting someone who is active is not "backstabbing each villager one by one".

Rainboy's reason to lynch Styx:
Rainboy wrote:
I don't like this panda wagon. Things have been too quiet, which suggests to me that he's not mafia or, if he is, the mafia isn't worried about his lynch. Too many actives for him to be AFK; too few votes for the mafia to be worried about looking suspicious by saving him.

Wayward offered enough to satisfy me, but Styx has been pretty useless so far this game. I'll throw my hat in the ring to see what we get with his lynch.

According to this we can see that Rainboy voted to lynch Styx solely based on his opinion- there was no logical reason to not vote Panda. Panda didn't even try to defend himself, he simply counter-voted Six.

Connection between NumBle and Rainboy (accourding to the steam logs posted by Rainboy):
Quote:
12:50 AM - Rainboy: I tried to start it earlier, but I was at church.
12:50 AM - Rainboy: And it took Xen and Lawliet a bloody hour to write their posts.
12:50 AM - Rainboy: Which made it tighter than I really wanted.
12:50 AM - Rainboy: Not enough time for people to respond.
12:51 AM - Kaebbel: You organized it?
12:51 AM - Rainboy: Numble and I did, yeah.
12:51 AM - Rainboy: I was uneasy with the panda lynch, for the reasons I stated.

So we know that Rainboy and NumBle were behind the Styx lynch. However, the fact that Rainboy revealed such crucial information to Emizek suggests multiple scenarios: 1. NumBle convinced Rainboy to lynch Styx, therefore NumBle is the real culprit and Rainboy is basically a villagers. 2. Rainboy was the one who convinced Numble to lynch Styx and the other way around. 3. NumBle and Rainboy are both mafia and Rainboy made a mistake by revealing this info about NumBle. 4. Similar to scenario 3, but instead of it being a mistake it was intended for psychological manipulation (very unlikely though because its too risky).

I would like to know who contacted Lawliet and katCrusader regarding this Styx vote, was it Rainboy or Numble?


Lawliet's reason to lynch Styx:
Quote:
[Vote Styx]
SAVE THE PANDAS..
1. I really don't think panda is a mafia.. the reason is explained in my previous post and in Rain's post.
2. Pressure Styx to get him to talk.

As for his reason 1, he refers to this post:
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"noobish" is not a reason... and I really doubt he's a mafia at this point.. because if he is then his teammates would've told him what to do to get out of this situation. your other reason was being afk.. I believe ARSENIC and styx have contributed nothing so far.. could you explain why it has to be panda. The guy got a cute avatar.. leave em alone...

As we can see, Lawliet was completely against the idea of lynching Panda, he is telling us that Panda's teammates would have helped him out- totally contradicting himself by defending Panda for being too 'cute'.

hmmm what ??
The cute thing was a joke... and when I said his teammates would've helped him I meant privately not publicly.. isn't that obvious?.. "because if he is then his teammates would've told him what to do to get out of this situation."

As for reason number 2, he mentioned that he wanted to apply pressure on Styx to get him to 'talk'. However, he's completely ignoring the fact that this reply was made at 2:29 AM, just around 1 hour before round end. Bad mistake there Lawliet.

yes, my bad there. This was not my intention however.. the reply was supposed to be made about half an hour earlier which would've given styx 2 hours to reply.. it isn't much but usually people check before the round ends..at least I do, no matter what time the round ends.

As for Lawliet's vote against Kontra, it seems that he's completely ignoring the fact that Styx is actually a villager and instead, moving onto someone else (who doesn't seem to be that suspicious) rather than accusing those who convinced him to lynch Styx (based on the steam logs) which is what Lawliet would normally do based on previous gameplays.


Kontra IS suspicious.. and I believe he's the best target for this round "based on previous gameplay".. and yea could you provide some evidence when you say this statement please ?.. as for the people who convinced me to change my vote to Styx, I don't think lynching Styx was a bad idea. In addition, I was against lynching Panda from the start. Still, my eyes are wide open. I don't think I have enough evidence to vote one of these guys yet. and since you believe I should've voted one of them.. who would you choose if you were in my place ? and based on what ?


As for katCrusader's reason to lynch Styx- I found nothing about of lynching him rather than protecting Panda. This was the only reason:
katCrusader wrote:
I concur; Pandas are too cute to lynch <3

Can't say much other than the fact that she (or he ;) ) was the only one to vote no lynch at the beginning. Typical mafia behaviour tbh.

Note that Panda did not defend himself, he asked his (possible) mafia teammates to help him out. In this case, we see that katCrusader and Lawliet were the first ones to help him out.

This just proves what I'm trying to say. If both of us panda and I were mafia I would've told him what to do privately.. I did not start playing this game yesterday you know ?


There might be 1 villager between those 4 which imo would be Rainboy, however, this is based on nothing. Otherwise, they could all be Mafia, just different teams. My vote stands between NumBle and Lawliet.
[vote Lawliet]


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#243 (ISO #10)  Re: Assassins XII: Power Up!
ARSENIC wrote:
In the wise words of the UltraNig, "Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks".

Which basically means Kontra is probably being framed by one of the Mafia.
While it's possible he belongs to the other one, he's clearly less conniving.
Considering they seem to be bandwagoning together with little public rationale,
I have reason to believe Lawliet and KatCrusader are on the same mafia team.
It is highly likely NumBle is on this team as well, but he's making it less obvious.
This could be because of circumstance or because he's simply a better player than the aforementioned two.

And of the two prime suspects, there's nothing that really tempts me to lynch one first and the other second,
other than the fact that I find Kat's memes to be more dank, so I'm going to [vote Lawliet].


I'd love to hear it.

Ultor wrote:
[vote Lawliet] at work rn


what changed your mind this time ?

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#322 (ISO #11)  Re: Assassins XII: Power Up!
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#373 (ISO #12)  Re: Assassins XII: Power Up!
[Vote Six]

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#421 (ISO #13)  Re: Assassins XII: Power Up!
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