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#12 (ISO #1)  Re: Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
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Crispo pls don't let me get lynched :lol:

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#19 (ISO #2)  Re: Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Lien~ wrote:
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Missed you GERTY :mrgreen:


Easyyy [vote Lien] (not day) :dance:

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#34 (ISO #3)  Re: [R0] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
I heard in room nr.11 some suspicious noises...sounded like *click* *click*

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#36 (ISO #4)  Re: [R0] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Lien~ wrote:
!!!*-Leo-*!!! wrote:
I heard in room nr.11 some suspicious noises...sounded like *click* *click*
That's the sound of putting new batteries into a vibrator. But I ain't in room 11, so who else likes to play?

Oh plsss those pictures in my head now :o
Can we say it was a click click like someone tried to make the broken TV on :)

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#41 (ISO #5)  Re: [R1 Ends 16 July at 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
SiX wrote:
WaywardVole wrote:

[injure Konijn]



Image


LOL can't believe it, again Konijn...looks like a never ending story...4th game in a row Konijn got injured at R0 :lol:

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#54 (ISO #6)  Re: [R0] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
SiX wrote:
POOOOO wrote:
[Vote SiX]
He is active and knows how to play but he is still not posting about the things going on, for example ko9 getting injured. Suspicious to me, not completely sure though.


Because there's nothing actually going on right now. KO9 being hospitalized tells us absolutely nothing.


Agree, nothin suspicious at the moment. I only know K09 must know all names of the nurses, so often how he had a bed in Hospital :)

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#60 (ISO #7)  Re: [R0] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Agree Ish

Lets see we can get some posts from the others.
[vote Panda]

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#76 (ISO #8)  Re: [R1 ends 16 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Since Panda posted something, I'll change my vote for now to eraliergray...only a post with "my heads spinnin" is a bit low.

[vote earliergrey] (unknown target)

Tell me more about your thoughts, who is suspicious for you and who not?!
And what do you think about the game at the moment?

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#79 (ISO #9)  Re: [R1 ends 16 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
[vote earliergray]

Look post above.

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#84 (ISO #10)  Re: [R1 ends 16 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
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We shouldn't start a new bandwagon this late into the round to avoid lynching someone who can't defend themselves. Would be bad if that someone was a PR.

Anyhow, I'll [Vote Crisp0] out of self-preservation.


I think the BW started...why all vote on Crispo???
Do you 3 have more Information i/we didn't saw???

Btw what I don't get is why you guys/girls participate in the game and say then "I didn't pay attention"???

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#92 (ISO #11)  Re: [R1 ends 16 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Well to be honest for me is at the moment no one suspicious.
After earliergray said something to my questions, can't i vote for him surely.
Need to think he is innocent for now, so i'll take my vote off. I don't wanna vote on "maybe" villager friends.
[vote no lynch]
And at Emziek sure 3 votes out of 14 is not a massive BW but it lead actually to get him lynched and all still with his votes on him (Crispo).

But Ultor is getting suspicious for me too after i read the others opinion on him and need to agree he played an other style the games before and to busy in 48hours rounds and being active in the servers looks a bit like an excuse.
But i wont vote on him because there can more scenarios be about him.
He can be a mafia guy and need to be more silent and he can also be a villager mate with a good power role. Also i would understand if he/me or others wont type that much in each single game.

My conclusion: I need more suspicious moves from others to be sure to vote on. And the oldschoolers like Lawliet,or Ish or SiX are not readable for me "now"...they played many and good games...sry if i didn't mentioned other good players...only examples.

Edit: Ultor posted in the time i posted. Crispo = now 4 votes.
Crispo you should try more to defent yourself and convince the others if you are one of us (villager buddy).

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#93 (ISO #12)  Re: [R1 ends 16 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
[vote no lynch]

Made again a mistake in my post...edited it but maybe Gerty wont accept it :D

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#109 (ISO #13)  Re: [R2 ends 19 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
@Ultor

I'll type later more to that, for now i think your analysis sucks. I voted on AFK'S just for the simply reason to hear anything.
The votes i did was to hear a hello or some thoughts of them, because it sucked in my opinion like Shadi felt the same in the last game, that many participate in a game and stay AFK then. As you can see i played in all games aggressiv and specially for the village town. If i would be mafia i could let my vote on earliergray, for the fact that it was just my vote only, but I didn't want to risk to put a vote on anyone and others follow me maybe and a "not bandwagon" as SiX and Emziek said resulted to get Crispo lynched, one of our town. You switched his vote on him for the word "self preservation" a bit low explanation from an analysis guy like you. The more i get the feeling it was the easiest for you to use this words after you saw that a lot voted on him and that you risk that a villager get lynched was not so obvisious then. I'm happy that i didn't put a vote of those who get lynched or stabbed or killed so i don't Need to blame me for anything. It actually shows that i really care about our town. You can also look how i asked why they wanna vote on Crispo (more Information than all others?) and why no one changed his vote from him to an other. All stand on their votes and the fact is he is dead what is really sad.

Also a small note before i tell later more about my thoughts, before the game started i thought about it to not post much and stay in the background, because all games i tried to help the village town i got vote lynched if i was active or got killed by mafia guys if they saw I had some thoughts that bring us villagers closer to the real mafia guys.

So for my thoughts SiX and you Ultor are the most suspicious...SiX voted on Crispo first and dind't changed his vote off from him and he is an experienced player so he could easy found a more suspicious guy like Crispo. And as i said your self preservation post was to low for me specially if it was 48hour rounds and you were many times on in the game here too.

[vote Ultor]

I'm not sure with my vote on you and if you want we can talk later on steam and you can try to convince me, but i also know after you tricked me a bit in the last game if you were mafia i can't trust anyone for real (it's normal) and i need to trust more my "gut feeling" and wait for suspicious moves from others or/and hope for good analysis from other experienced player who convince me with their post who must be mafia.

Also if i remember the most games i played so far, all the time all quiet (I'm busy or AFK) got shown at the end as mafia ones. And i think the game mode wont change. No real mafia risk with posts that have more then maybe 2-3 sentences to get readable by others then.
For the future i think i'll put more pressure next on some of them, like Pr0Gr4mm4, HATER, POOO and wont let them secretly survive if they are mafia and do it like the most ones in the games before, rubbing their Hands and laughing like "look this active, stupid villagers, how they lynch each other of their own town"

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#114 (ISO #14)  Re: [R2 ends 19 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Sry SiX don't get me wrong..my post was completly meant to Ultor..and i mentioned your BW on Crispo in it where i showed that this "no bandwagon" resulted to kill one of us.
And yes my fault you voted as 2nd on Crispo but you still didn't changed your vote to another.
And for your thoughts SiX you can watch in the games before i've played i care much about our town. And guess what i was = villager.
And i change my votes not to get not seen as a mafia, i'll do it to try all to hold our village mates/town allive.
And in my opinion to hear all the time better vote on him or another is "sry" ridiculous in my opinion...all vote lynch that risk to get villager friends killed, lead to lose mates we need to fight against mafia ones with power roles. Mostly like it happend again direct 3 villagers get killed and that is way much for me. So this lynch votes on "maybe" mafia lead all the time to lose 1 more villager as mafia kill with their power.
And that if randomly votes get made on players, on what the most can't be sure that he is definitely a mafia guy.

In my opinion i would like to play more a round where no one get lynched if not 100% sure mafia, than to vote and risk to kill a villager. And that happend all the time.

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#141 (ISO #15)  Re: [R2 ends 19 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
LMAO whats going on here???
To be honest i don't know on who i should vote or what i need to think right now.

I try to say it very small:

Ultor tried to tell me per steam that i should vote on Lien if im really villager and that to deffend myself, after i told him im just a normal villager with no power role and i risk mostly (im a teamplayer) more to get my self killed by a lynch then to let the ones get lynched (villager+powerrole) who are more important for the town.
But i don't think his thoughts are really bad at all with that, i f i can only be sure that im villager i should maybe do it to stay allive = (+1 )1x 100% sure villager.

Also i would tell all that his thoughts been that Emziek, Lien and me must be mafia.

I get a bit the feeling that Six and Ultor as i mentioned in a post before, tryhard to convince all as villagers if they are playing for the mafia Team.
Ultor's thoughts were with his analysis that Emziek must be mafia or that he looks like one and now Emziek claimed to be the Journalist and that was what i told Ultor per Steam too that i have the Feeling he is innocent and my gut feeling tells me he is more trustable then any other, sure Ultor you can be the HM i have no doubt on it but aslong no one peeked you it is not 100% sure.

And Ultor told me in Steam he talked with POOO too and asked him for his thoughts. He asked POOO that POOO talked with me on steam and POOO said "i think i did" what defintely was not the truth, bcs i didnt talked to anyone before with Ultor.
After i said i will ask POOO why he lied, because that can lead to the point that others think im not villager, Ultor told me direct then "well he is away now"...i asked Ultor for that he is suddenly away if i wanna ask him and then he told me he talked with him at the time i edited my last post...but i saw on steam Ultor typed with others atm i typed with him and he told me it is POO and then it wasn't POOO (he talked 15minutes before that with him???) is way suspicious for me.

So POOO to deffend myself...feel free to make a screenshot where i talked with you on steam !!!

For now i can only say i need to re-read more..was to lazy to analyse all really and make stronger thoughts on who is more suspicious then another.

Since i need to follow some of our seen villagers (Emziek) i will go with my vote on Ish now so long if maybe the real Journalist claims his role public and show that Emziek lies.

[vote Ish]

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#154 (ISO #16)  Re: [R2 ends 19 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
I agree with you Emziek and that he call all others being mafia and try to trick all with his posts...let me think he is a non villager and maybe work together with SiX in a (mafia) Team.

@Ultor
Your tricks to have excuses with collected evidences doesn't work at all on me.
And try to trick me and POOO and tell me he said he talked with me and in no case you told me he wasn't sure...let me not really believe that you are villager.

There is no other power role at the village team that can peek and come up to you with evidences you wanna have...and if we wait for next round and you get with your analysis for what you voted on me a villager killed and 2 mafia use their power role in a good way would lead to

6 Villagers +4 Mafias +1SK
1 villager (atm me) get lynched, 2 villagers get killed by night Actions, that means -3 villagers =
3 villagers +4 Mafias +1 SK = win mafia

So where are your evidences Ultor and why wait and risk that mafia Team gonna win this game so easy?

For all others make your own thoughts and think about who you wanna believe.
Ultor is still on the point that Emziek is mafia and that after Emziek revealed his role and no one else claimed to be the Journalist...so in my opinion Emziek is more proven to be the Journalist then Ultor claiming to be HM, what also can be but this claiming is also not 100% like he said it on Emziek. And his "I Show evidences next round" make no sense for me..the round can be over so he just need some guys that trust him and don't need to show his evidences and try to convince others that he is really the HM.

[vote Ultor]
Sry but you didn't convinced me with your posts and last game you tried to trick me too per steam if you been a mafia guy...you used the same tactic that i need to trust you...in the game were you was villager and we had a steam talk you wasn't sure about me or others that they must be mafia. And we talked about more Scenarios or better to say you told me more of your thoughts, this time you didn't tried for real to share your thoughts with me, specially if i asked you for your Quickttalk or Quicktop (sorry i don't know this) what you mentioned in steam to me and if i asked you about what happend there you told me "I won't tell it you :)))))))))))"

Just maybe if i get lynched and i flip villager and mafias not be more then villager you should go all with your vote on Ultor or SiX the guys who in my opinion worked together as a (not silent) mafia team.

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#156 (ISO #17)  Re: [R2 ends 19 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Emziek wrote:
!!!*-Leo-*!!! wrote:
Ultor is still on the point that Emziek is mafia and that after Emziek revealed his role and no one else claimed to be the Journalist...so in my opinion Emziek is more proven to be the Journalist then Ultor claiming to be HM, what also can be but this claiming is also not 100% like he said it on Emziek. .

If you believe my Journalist claim there is NO REASON not to vote Ish. He has been peeked suspicious, he is the only safe bet to keep the village alive and going.

!!!*-Leo-*!!! wrote:
let me think he is a non villager and maybe work together with SiX in a (mafia) Team.

I doubt it. I'm certain one of SiX and Ultor is a villager and the other one is the SK. Although anything could be possible. It's extremely unlikely SiX is in the mafia team together with Ish, if they're, they've done hell of a good job making it seem like they're playing for different teams.


Actually im confused at all...that Ultor try so hardly in my opinion to get us villagers killed let me tend to vote him..but you are right i should vote on Ish if i trust you and as i told it you per PM too i do trust you more then anyone else, also for the reason that no other player claimed to be the Journalist.

I hope you are right with it and i hope if the other villagers trust you too that it comes out that Ish get lynched as a mafia guy, what clearly would show you are more trustable then anyone else and that you work for our town.
And it should show too that Ultor is completly wrong with his analysis. Well i would ask the HM to switch Emziek to an other room, but hey the HM is Ultor who think that Emziek is not trustable.

[vote Ish]

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#168 (ISO #18)  Re: [R2 ends 19 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Ultor wrote:
Lynching Leo is the best option we have right now villagers, don't be fooled by the mafia.


Honestly don't know who tricked you so hardly, that you still believe im mafia..you should look at one point if i would be mafia why no one of that living mates, if im not wrong for an example me mafia, so 3 more left...and no one didn't tried to help me with any post to deffend me and let me stay allive. It is like all the games before i Need to deffend myself if smart calculating and analysing guys go with a vote on me and if you look in the other games i played, i was the one that tried allways to get the village town together that we have a chance to win that game and don't lynch vote all the time villagers. I almost had to deffend myself (allone) and no one trusted me at any time and you can look what i flipped then, right i've been villager !!!

In the last game i claimed to be the deputy = assisent of the cop and no one else claimed my role so it was obvisiouly that i have that role. All hold on the opinion what Crispo mentioned as cop that he peeked me and that i was suspicious...but only Konijn saw that there were roles what can fake my allignment. But it was for all unlikely that it can be...and guess again what came out, right i was villager = the deputy i claimed.

Now you are so biased if i just told you i don't wanna vote Lien and that for the fact that i know shit from her for what team she plays...i only deffended her that it can be true that she is to busy with much work and that i saw she handled all member applications. And if im a teamplayer and not like maybe many others that look only for their own to stay allive, then it is normal for me that i risk to get lynch voted and die, what better for the town is if im a normal villager and she "maybe" a villager with a power role. And on no place there was any evidence that she must be mafia...but you tried to tell me all the time she must be mafia and if not then i would stay allive as villager too and it wouldn't matter then. As i said it to choose the option that i vote on her and she flips village was to risky for me.

1) i don't vote on the ones on who i have no thoughts or suspicious move seen..you and SiX chose that she play the same gameplay like all the games before...that let me think or believe that you work a bit to tight with SiX together, because you never played any game with Lien before, you only agreed in one of your post that she play the same gameplay..LOL how would you know that if she play the first game with you too???
2) if she is villager and you lied or your thoughts been wrong that it would be the best move from me to vote on her for self preservation and if i had done it and it comes out she is villager i would never ever get any trust from my other villager mates that im one of them if i suddenly changed my vote then on her. And that at the time i had pressure on myself with votes on me that can lead to get me lynched.
3) As i said it now many times, i play an other style, maybe for many to aggressiv as a villager but idc to be honest...i know i risk to die earlier in the game for that aggresive style, but i wanna win the game and if im dead and village town wins it is a Victory for me too.

I see it as i mentioned it the game before...if i play CS and it is for an example de_dust2, i rush then bomb place b and hope i get 2,3,4 killed and the rest of my team get the chance to plant the bomb and protect the bomb to the end of the round then.

Don't feel offended by me bruh but you are more the player that would like to win and survive allone to get all eyes on him and stand in the centerview of all to get seen as the hero who survived and killed all allone.
I saw that gameplay from you many times in JB where you risked more to accidently freekill one (not on purpose), only to show that you had 20 terrorists under control and no one rebelled or get the chance to kill you.

That i said only to show your kind of gameplay and why you would vote on Lien to stay allive and im not if i think or that i can't be sure that she is not villager with an important power role. Dont feel pls offended by me Ultor it is just a game and i still like you ;)

@POOO
It looks a bit for me that Ultor convinced you later on steam that he must be village..but your post they must be villagers = SiX and Ultor because they defend themselves, they really want to survive and win the game is a bit meh for me.
If you would look clearly to Emzieks post you would see that he claimed to be the jounalist and no one else did it. So he is at the Moment the one we should follow and believe in that he is a proven villager. And if you re read a lot Ultor was most of the times sure he must be mafia and that after his Journalist claiming too and that if no one showed that Emziek must lie.
Look on the Point POOO why should Emziek Claim his role and risk that the "real Journalist" comes and say he lies? and no one did it, don't forget that.
Same suspect move from Ultor is he said he have evidences which he wanna show in the next round...read a bit more what all other mentioned, we wont get a next round if the next villager get lynched and to show it next round and not yet where we villagers need it is a bit ridiculous, you don't think so???
I can only advice you to believe for now that Emziek is who he claimed to be and go with your vote on Ish as it is obvisiouly after his peek on him. If he Flips villager you can be sure Emziek or me or whoever must be mafia...but sure ii is the same Scenario if Ish flips village and Emziek lied there is no next round too...but for me i believe more in the post by Emziek = Journalist claim !!! You can choose by yourself who you wanna believe more, but if you dont follow Emziek be sure that you must be a mafia guy for me too if you follow Ultor and SiX so clearly and that with no given evidences. No one of them can have a power role that can give you a real evidence. None of them can peek, this peeking role have only the Journalist.

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#169 (ISO #19)  Re: [R2 ends 19 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Another note from me is that POOO is suddenly mostly no where catchable to have a talk with..he is on at forum but didn't respond on CB or isn't on at Steam...What is a bit ridiculous from me but can be a move from him to hide as mafia.
I saw him everytime on at steam too if he was on at the Forum..but now not...hmmh maybe a coincidence..who knows it.

I edited this post after i saw he is on in the mafia forum here...and that is right now !!!
So maybe you wanna say somethin more now to the game or your thoughts, why Ultor and SiX sounds more villager than Emziek or me???

And the longer you wait to respond, the more i get the feeling you need Ultor who tells you what you should type :)

This i made only for the other to show he was on http://imgur.com/bMAzSzv, but also wanna mention that Poo finally contacted me on steam...im sure Ultor is not far away from him :P

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#175 (ISO #20)  Re: [R2 ends 19 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Ultor wrote:
POOOOO wrote:
Spoiler: show
Ruski: Don't you think Ish is mafia?
Ultor: im not sure about Ish
Ruski: or you're trying to save him by lynching leo? :D
Ultor: lol
Ultor: if u isolate my posts you will see why im lynching leo
Ultor: have a look on screenshots between me and him lol
Ruski: ye I get it
Ruski: but how I understand is that mafia are playing a tricky game
Ultor: brb toliet
Ruski: acting as villager and blaming their teammate as mafia
Ultor is now Online.
Ultor: ok back
Ruski: so how was toilet
Ruski: lulz
Ultor: very good
Ruski: well
Ruski: If you trick me this time
Ultor: anyway the mafia could actually be sacraficing one of their own
Ruski: you are tricking a new player
Ultor: lol
Ruski: so villagers don't lose an important player
Ruski: but if I get shot
Ruski: you know you will be lynched
Ruski: that's how I see it
Ruski: for now
Ruski: I need to see who gets killed next round
Ultor: wait so u are a vanilla villager?
Ruski: you know why I think leo is not the mafia?
Ruski: he voted for earlier gray
Ruski: and someone shot earliergray
Ruski: to trap him
Ultor: leo changed his vote to no lynch
Ultor: before gray got shot
Ruski: why was he voting eg?
Ruski: afk?
Ultor: he was acting like a villager by voting afks
Ruski: True
Ruski: He kept on changing votes to afks
Ultor: i already know who the HM is
Ruski: he was so desperate
Ruski: to get rid of the villagers
Ultor: but if anyone counter-claims his role that would be good
Ruski: what do you mean
Ruski: sorry I am new to this term
Ultor: someone told me that they are the hotel manager
Ruski: But I am pretty sure if I vote leo, I am getting shot tonight :D
Ultor: however if someone else says the same thinig
Ultor: then we know that 1 of them is the mafia
Ultor: getting shot doesnt matter
Ultor: its all about getting the mafia and the SK
Ruski: who claims to be hotel manager?
Ultor: u wont be shot, it will be me
Ultor: i wont tell you that
Ruski: HATER?
Ruski: Well
Ruski: you saw my post?
Ruski: Hater, Ish, Leo
Ruski: 2 of these 3 are mafia
Ruski: But I can't be 100% sure
Ultor: could be just 1
Ruski: until someone gets shot tonight
Ultor: HATER could be the SK
Ruski: for me its 2 of these
Ruski: SK?
Ruski: Janitor?
Ultor: yes
Ruski: well ye
Ultor: Emziek could be the real Journalist too
Ultor: so if no1 counter-claims his role
Ruski: Emziek was shot
Ruski: wasnt he?
Ruski: and he survived
Ultor: I might announce few things
Ultor: yes he was saved by the doc
Ruski: So he isnt mafia
Ultor: why not?
Ruski: Mafia shoots mafia?
Ruski: is bait play allowed?!
Ultor: anything is allowed
Ultor: but it wasnt that
Ultor: it was because the mafia wanted to shoot another room and it probably got switched by the Janitor
Ultor: and the doc didnt mean to protect Journalist
Ultor: i mean Emziek
Ultor: room swaps happen before doc protection
Ruski: Well this gets confusing
Ruski: but yeah, I think you are right about Hater
Ruski: he seems to be the janitor
Ultor: so who are u gonna vote for?
Ruski: This round, none.
Ruski: Next round, Ish or Leo
Ruski: wops
Ruski: not Ish
Ruski: because he is getting lynched (probably)
Ruski: I will vote leo or hater
Ruski: wait
Ruski: what about programma
Ruski: havent seen him participate much
Ultor: so you're a mafia then?
Ruski: Do I talk like I am?
Ruski: lol
Ultor: yes lol
Ruski: welp
Ultor: as a villager, you need to vote
Ultor: if u dont vote its game over
Ruski: I am not voting this round, I might be wrong.
Ultor: so what if u are wrong
Ruski: We would have lost too many villagers then
Ruski: 4 are already lost
Ultor: that doesnt make sense
Ultor: there is 1 lynch
Ultor: if u vote or not, someone will die because of this lynch
Ruski: Well, I am staying on no lynch
Ruski: brb
Ultor: ok
Ruski: so
Ruski: what do you think of six btw
Ultor: for now I think hes a villager
Ultor: but he could also be the SK
Ruski: he isnt SK for sure
Ruski: Or nvm
Ultor: how do u know?
Ruski: he could be
Ruski: Isnt speaking so much
Ultor: lol
Ruski: so he is probably trying to defend his identity
Ultor: have u read his posts?
Ruski: and just being silent so he doesn't get voted or shot
Ruski: he only posted 3 times
Ruski: lol
Ultor: SiX?
Ruski: Oh
Ruski: I was talking about programma
Ruski: wops
Ruski: About six, its very hard to say for now
Ruski: but I believe he is a villager
Ultor: lol why are u thinking about afks
Ruski: he isnt afk
Ruski: he is checking the topic daily
Ultor: he only posted twice
Ruski: yes I know
Ultor: that makes him afk
Ruski: but he is checking the topic
Ultor: yeah everyone checks it
Ultor: afk in this game means
Ruski: I understand
Ultor: you're not active
Ruski: why dont we vote programma
Ultor: if we dont lynch a mafia this round, its over
Ultor: why should we vote on him?
Ruski: Checking topic, but not saying anything
Ruski: He seems to be fine with whats happening
Ruski: people getting lynched
Ultor: lol thats not a good reason
Ruski: well who knows
Ultor: he can just say im bussy
Ruski: brb
Ultor: im wondering, why are u denying the fact that Leo is a mafia
Ruski: I am not denying
Ruski: I am saying I cant be sure at this point
Ruski: lemme read your posts vs his
Ruski: gimme 10 mins
Ruski: lawliet was villager?
Ultor: ok
Ultor: yes lawliet was villager
Ruski: So leo knows I am talking to you
Ultor: i dont think so
Ultor: he thinks im trying to brainwash you
Ultor: I've found another mafia
Ruski: who
Ultor: You
Ruski: well I explained :D
Ruski: Whatever you think
Ultor: :)
Ultor: can i ask u a q?
Ruski: sure
Ultor: what do u think of SiX and Lien?
Ruski: SiX villager
Ruski: Lien mhm
Ruski: not so sure
Ruski: but imo she could be mafia
Ultor: cool
Ultor: and ko9?
Ruski: HM

This was the chat between me and ultor. I like how he is pointing fingers on others and trying to get along, I got pretty confused for a moment. What made me think Ultor is a mafia was that he is trying to get Leo lynched while Ish was peeked and declared mafia by someone (and he still continued on voting leo, makes me wonder why he wouldn't vote on Ish, probably to save his mafia mate?). This pretty much shows ultor is playing the trick game, trying to convince other by words and not talking about Ish at all except for his analysis part. I have changed my mind.
[vote Ultor]
Also, if I get shot and ultor is proven innocent later then its Leo for sure. Can't seem to trust anyone at this point.


This chat only proves few things:

1. The fact that you're not voting anyone this round to clear suspicion from yourself.
2. The fact that you are defending SiX based on a "gut feeling".
3. The fact that you're trying to redirect attention from those possible mafia to AFKs. Trying to save your teammates.

At this point, I've concluded that based on Emziek's claim as a Journalist, I will [vote Ish] for now, unless I get any counter-claims. I will withdraw this "definite proof" of Emziek being a mafia.

Remember that I still have a HM claim. The person who claimed that to me could be a fake and might aswell be the SK. This is why its extremely important to receive any claims. I am a villager and I am on your side.

@Leo
According to some replies you posted you said:

Quote:
And it should show too that Ultor is completly wrong with his analysis. Well i would ask the HM to switch Emziek to an other room, but hey the HM is Ultor who think that Emziek is not trustable.


Quote:
Ultor's thoughts were with his analysis that Emziek must be mafia or that he looks like one and now Emziek claimed to be the Journalist and that was what i told Ultor per Steam too that i have the Feeling he is innocent and my gut feeling tells me he is more trustable then any other, sure Ultor you can be the HM i have no doubt on it but aslong no one peeked you it is not 100% sure.


Quote:
Ultor is still on the point that Emziek is mafia and that after Emziek revealed his role and no one else claimed to be the Journalist...so in my opinion Emziek is more proven to be the Journalist then Ultor claiming to be HM, what also can be but this claiming is also not 100% like he said it on Emziek. And his "I Show evidences next round" make no sense for me..the round can be over so he just need some guys that trust him and don't need to show his evidences and try to convince others that he is really the HM.


Don't panic Leo, take it easy. In the first 2 quotes, you said that I'm the HM. In the third quote you said that I'm trying to convince everyone that I'm the HM. There is a lot of contradictions going on with your posts Leo- it seems to me that you're really trying hard to defend yourself- if u were a village you wouldn't care about dying. If you honestly believe that I'm the HM then why are you lynching me? Even though Emziek told you not to.

It is obvious that POOOO and Leo are on the same team now and that's proved by their bandwagon on me. Took me long to get them to this stage. Anyhow, I am not the HM and honestly those 48 rounds ain't helping at all, there are still like 4 AFKs.

Here is an alignment list which I created based on the fact that Emziek is the real Journalist:

Red = definite mafia
Orange = possible mafia
Green = definite village
Blue = possible SK
Yellow = unknown

01: HATER
02: Konijn
03: Emziek
04: Pr0Gr4mm4
05: Ish
06: Ultor
07: PandAboYii
08: POOOOO
09: SiX
10: !!!*-Leo-*!!!
11: Lien~


If you would look clearly i voted on Ish because i trusted Emziek and you are/was the most suspicious one for me why i vote you before...i explained it much why you've been that suspicious for me.
So don't try to change the facts...i was one of the first ones that believed Emziek and played for the village...what you didn't at the time he revealed his role...now after you see maybe the ice on that you walk is thin you try still to let all focus on others...1st hardly on me and now POO and dunno who comes next...maybe you changed your opinion after you saw we vote Ish and that a mafia guy will die and that your plan not work that this round ends after one villager get killed who you let to try all focus on...you was close to or are still on the point that you tricked POOO and a small moment you had me too...but nah Ultor not this time..and if it comes out that Ish is mafia it is glassclear for me that you are mafia too !!! (idc that you changed your vote on the last moment to say now yes we need to vote Ish...you just saw not all believe your tricking tactic and go for the logical step to vote Ish.
I will say more to that why i think that if it comes out that Ish is mafia that you Ultor must be mafia too...but im sure all others will see how you tried to get villager killed by their own mates.
If Ish Flips village it is clear that Emziek is mafia what i don't believe. And sure you can think all the same and go with your votes on me then if i was the one that trusted after his claim Emziek more then anyone.

BTW now SiX your best "village" mate seems to be SK now for you...really what tactic is that now?

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#177 (ISO #21)  Re: [R2 ends 19 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
HATER wrote:
Ultor wrote:
And still waiting for any counter-claims... I have 1 HM claim and we all know that Emziek publicly claimed to be a Journalist. If you are the real one for either of roles, please send me a PM. Don't do it publicly as it might get you killed.



This right here is wrong. DO claim puclicly if you have a counterclaim -- this is how the entire village can know at once that Emziek's claim is contested. This is much more important than personal survival (see: my last post) and almost 100% guarantees that one of the two is mafia.


Ultor has absolutely NO grounds upon which to be trusted. Do NOT claim privately to him if you have a counterclaim (or anyone else, including me). Claim publicly if you wish to contest emziek's claim.


I totally agree on that point, if you wanna trust anyone make it public and get the backup from all villagers and not in a PM to maybe one that can be mafia guy !!! Only the Journalist Emziek or if it is another guy who have that role can be sure after a lot of peeks who is trustable and who not.

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#179 (ISO #22)  Re: [R2 ends 19 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Lien~ wrote:
Fuck knows. And no one contacted me so go do one.

[vote Ish]


Veryyy meeeh...and blame the others for it :naughty:

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#184 (ISO #23)  Re: [R2 ends 19 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
As i said it if Ish die and get shown as mafia it's clear for me that Ultor is mafia too.
I'll change my vote easy if Emziek comes with a new peeked one up.

[vote Ultor]

I thought about it that SiX must be the HM and that he was maybe in contact with you Ultor and trusted you too much.

At SiX really sad that you died so we have no one anymore who can save Emziek with a room Switch :(

@Emziek you have new informations who you peeked, for that we can vote on or who we can trust to win this game against the mafia??? You are the only one i trust for sure now.

I also would suggest that some villagers vote on the inactive voters and posters too, i think we need to see more of their thoughts about the game...i don't want that some of the mafia guys win silently from the background.

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#185 (ISO #24)  Re: [R2 ends 19 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
I'll changed my mind and i think atm this is a bit to low and maybe a good move to hide as a mafia guy.

Pr0Gr4mm4 ISO: isolation.php?tid=26287&pid=4414

[vote Pr0Gr4mm4]

Lets see what you have to say more.

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#191 (ISO #25)  Re: [R2 ends 19 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
I don't know anything about HATER and his allignment. But i have a bit the feeling that HATER and SiX had just a (old game history) fight on each other.
And that you Ultor thought SiX was HM for you, since the beginning and after he claimed it to you might be right, but that doesn't show that you are a villager maybe. I think more as i said it SiX felt in the trap of you and trusted you too much. As POO mentioned it in a private chat i had with him and i didn't saw it you never took Ish at any real moment as suspicious for you in your mind, it took so long for you to finally vote on him too to not get seen as mafia then if you do it not. Well i wouldn't be surprised if you are the SK you jump from one to another and that between village and mafia Team. What still let me think and lead to the point that im sure you are not a villager, also not if you cooperated much with SiX. I wish and hope Emziek peeked you and can tell us that we are right that you can't play for our town (village).
I think you don't really work in the best way for the villagers and as i said you are most suspicious..so i use the way how i learned now from you and vote out of self preservation you, that you don't trick all others more and that they fall in your tricking trap too.

[vote Ultor]

Programma i still have my focus on you, i made a ISO of you for what i definitely wanna hear more from you or you are my next most suspicious person. I mentioned it in some posts before, i saw many times (games) mafia won the game if staying silent in the background and i don't wanna give you mafias that ez pz victory.

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#194 (ISO #26)  Re: [R2 ends 19 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Ultor wrote:
!!!*-Leo-*!!! wrote:
I don't know anything about HATER and his allignment. But i have a bit the feeling that HATER and SiX had just a (old game history) fight on each other.
And that you Ultor thought SiX was HM for you, since the beginning and after he claimed it to you might be right, but that doesn't show that you are a villager maybe. I think more as i said it SiX felt in the trap of you and trusted you too much. As POO mentioned it in a private chat i had with him and i didn't saw it you never took Ish at any real moment as suspicious for you in your mind, it took so long for you to finally vote on him too to not get seen as mafia then if you do it not. Well i wouldn't be surprised if you are the SK you jump from one to another and that between village and mafia Team. What still let me think and lead to the point that im sure you are not a villager, also not if you cooperated much with SiX. I wish and hope Emziek peeked you and can tell us that we are right that you can't play for our town (village).
I think you don't really work in the best way for the villagers and as i said you are most suspicious..so i use the way how i learned now from you and vote out of self preservation you, that you don't trick all others more and that they fall in your tricking trap too.


[vote Ultor]



Programma i still have my focus on you, i made a ISO of you for what i definitely wanna hear more from you or you are my next most suspicious person. I mentioned it in some posts before, i saw many times (games) mafia won the game if staying silent in the background and i don't wanna give you mafias that ez pz victory.


So far, you made 9 votes in this game Leo.


And? I change my votes often, for different reasons..or do i need to hold my vote like many did in R1 on one person (Crispo) and maybe lynch vote the wrong person?

Im confused after the chat you had with SiX (the proofs you showed)...i would like to trust you, but you tried to hard to trick many players and your focus been mostly on the wrong persons specially how you wasn't sure that Emziek is the real Journalist and no one else claimed his role. As i said it tooks you so long to trust him as a villager friend. You could vote easy first on Ish and change your vote later if an other one had claimed his role.

But more you tried to get me lynched or POO and I'm for my own know i play for the town and try the best i can with no powers to get the real mafia ones lynched.

And im not dumb at all i have many secretly in my mind as for Programma, Lien, HATER and Panda (very low posting, best way to hide as mafia)...Only on one I believe in my "gut feeling" on Konijn that he is innocent and trust me or trust me not, i don't know why i just have that feeling on him.

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#195 (ISO #27)  Re: [R2 ends 19 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
To not edit my post..at HATER's low posting i meant he only had posts where he fought with SiX, but it Looks more like some personal (game) issues between both.

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#205 (ISO #28)  Re: [R3 ends 21 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
@Emziek:
Well i dont trust you blind, because you can be on different thoughts wrong too...but i said i follow you so i will put my vote on the silent guys...in that i believe at the beginning that there are some hiding mafias.

As i mentioned Pr0Gr4mm4 seems suspicious for me if i checked his iso.

[vote Pr0Gr4mm4]


@Ultor you was laughing if we played in the TTT-Server together and said you start a "Rebellion" can you elaborate what you meant with that???

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#211 (ISO #29)  Re: [R3 ends 21 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Well you guys should look who trusted Emziek with no doubt...wasn't it me who voted as 2nd on Ish and is it not more like a payback post where Ish mentioned to get me and Lien lynched then after he dies...what should show enough in my opinion that that i didn't play/played for his team. I think it would not be the best move from dead Ish to tell some names of his team.

@Hater would you really do it? Mention one of your team on who would all definitely focus then if Ish is/was mafia?
To be honest im not experienced enough in Ish's gameplay that he would do it or not but it would be in my eyes ridiculous, specially if we all saw he was mafia.

@Emziek i dont get your calculation style why Ultor is like 20% being evil and all others on 50%. Can you explain that pls?

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#213 (ISO #30)  Re: [R3 ends 21 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
@Ultor it would be much better if you would play more with me together against the real mafia ones then to still think I'm one.

And to be honest i also can think you are still mafia even if you got peeked as not sispicious.
Why? Because i wouldn't be surprised if you are the real Godfather and that you had the idea to be so smart to act in the game since the beginning as a villager, were all others would say "hey don't be dumb, you are the godfather" a very important role for the mafia team, but you are sneaky beaky you convince all to trust you, what you did in the last game good on me. And you could play that way for 2 facts.
1) There was a trainee who would take your position if you would fail and all vote you at the beginning of the rounds or if you got killed by the veteran. (sure he is dead now, what maybe broke the good plan)
2) If you get peeked, what actually happend you get seen as "not suspicious" what give you the next advantage to get trusted between all villagers and act in the middle of us villagers.

But how mostly all would say it (what i dont't prefer, bcs it lead in the last game that i die as the deputy=officer assistent) it is more 'unlikely' that this scenario happend...but i saw all is possible in a game like that.
Nvm if you still wanna be that stubborn and don't wanna see the light that i did more for our town then many others, go ahead bruh.

@Emziek another note, since SiX (villager) had such a hard fight with HATER i would advice you to peek him next round or me.

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#214 (ISO #31)  Re: [R3 ends 21 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Emziek wrote:
!!!*-Leo-*!!! wrote:
@Emziek i dont get your calculation style why Ultor is like 20% being evil and all others on 50%. Can you explain that pls?

Code:
9 players
5 villagers + 3 mafia + 1 SK

Emziek is 99% confirmed Journalist ( - 1 possible Village role)

4 villagers + 3 mafia + 1 SK

Ultor has been peeked not suspicious ( - 3 possible Evil roles, since the SK cannot be peeked and 2 of the 3 remaining mafia roles would be peeked suspicious)

4 villagers + 1 mafia

= 4/5 chance that Ultor is Village


Well thanks and sry but im not that good in this pc things to be honest, to make codes and other things like that. I just learned from shadi in the last game how to ISO one guy, i dunno why but i didn't saw it on the right side on top. I'm to unexperienced in those things :lol:

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#216 (ISO #32)  Re: [R3 ends 21 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Emziek wrote:
Still waiting for a Veteran counter-claim. Please PM if you're the real Veteran.

!!!*-Leo-*!!! wrote:
@Emziek another note, since SiX (villager) had such a hard fight with HATER i would advice you to peek him next round or me.

Very little chance I will survive - The only scenario I survive this round is if we get lucky, take out the sniper AND the SK/Mafia doesn't randomly attack my current room. I have yet to decide what room I will peek.


I meant your next peek if i said next round...my fault and i believe in your thoughts that you peek the right one ;)

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#218 (ISO #33)  Re: [R3 ends 21 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Konijn wrote:
This is based mainly on the posts and votes made during R2 and the outcome of that round.

POOOOO:
- Pro village
-- Said he thought SiX was villager

- Anti-village
-- Voted for no lynch after Emziek's claim
-- Said FoS on Leo/HATER after Emziek's claim
-- Voted Ultor after Emziek's claim despite earlier that round saying he concluded he was village
-- Voted Ish last

Ultor:
- Pro village
-- Seems to think at start of the game I have a high chance of being village due to being "stabbed by both parties" - a dangerous thing for mafia to instill village trust in a villager perhaps?
-- Quite active, gives reads in thread for each player, that sort of thing is difficult to fake as you need to justify each point
--

- Anti-village
-- States that it is "crystal clear" that Emziek is mafia, despite it looking almost certian right now that Emziek is the village PR he claimed
-- States he has definite proof of Emziek being mafia but does not post
-- Asks for a village PR to contact him with nothing to justify his plea
-- Tries to steer the lynch away from the mafia onto Leo
-- Knew that SiX was HM. SiX was stabbed was stabbed that round

Lien:
- Anti-village
-- Has not given any insight/opinions on the game
-- Was the last to vote for Ish

HATER:
-- hater walls

Pr0Gr4mm4:
-- Inactive 2 rounds | Though this is does kind of fit his MO for the past few games

Leo:
- Pro village
-- Was first to follow Emziek's vote
-- Seems to be making generally pro village posts but tbh I'm so tired and I can't find the energy to sift through everyone's posts any more

Panda:
- Anti-village
-- has not many any game related posts or votes since the game started... isolation.php?tid=26287&pid=4934

Emziek:
- Pro-village
-- Claimed Journalist, got a mafia killed, seems legit


Conclusion:

It's a difficult decision between POOOOO and Ultor. POOOOO's contradictions though lead me more to believe he is slightly more likely that Ultor to be Mafia

[vote POOOOO]

However there are 4 mafia roles and 1 SK, so I will list in the order of suspicion my guesses for the rest:

Panda - Due to the fact that he is AFK, I suspect he may be trying to lay low
Lien~ - Also seems to trying to lay low, I don't buy the busy/inactive/uninterested excuse


3 Mafia, 5 villagers, 1 SK

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#226 (ISO #34)  Re: [R3 ends 21 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Emziek wrote:
You've failed to convince me Konijn. It could be your lack of sleep talking but some of your reads seems off. You're pointing fingers Ultor where its not due while you're patting Leo for being Pro-village when you yourself said it you cba reading everyones posts.




Ultor
Konijn wrote:
-- Seems to think at start of the game I have a high chance of being village due to being "stabbed by both parties" - a dangerous thing for mafia to instill village trust in a villager perhaps?

WIFOM argument and not necessarily a pro-village move.
Konijn wrote:
-- Knew that SiX was HM. SiX was stabbed was stabbed that round

Irrelevant when Ultor can't possibly be the SK. You're just pointing fingers.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leo

Konijn wrote:
Leo:
-snip-

-- Seems to be making generally pro village posts but tbh I'm so tired and I can't find the energy to sift through everyone's posts any more

Says this when he also admits he doesn't have the energy to read through all the posts.
!!!*-Leo-*!!! wrote:
And im not dumb at all i have many secretly in my mind as for Programma, Lien, HATER and Panda (very low posting, best way to hide as mafia)...Only on one I believe in my "gut feeling" on Konijn that he is innocent and trust me or trust me not, i don't know why i just have that feeling on him.
NOTE: Konijn had made 2 game related post at this point, didn't vote in R1 and only joined the BW on confirmed mafia very late into the round. Nothing Konijn had made by this point was pro-village.
!!!*-Leo-*!!! wrote:
@Emziek:
Well i dont trust you blind, because you can be on different thoughts wrong too...but i said i follow you so i will put my vote on the silent guys...in that i believe at the beginning that there are some hiding mafias.

Nothing wrong here in normal cases, infact I would applaud Leo, but with everything else surrounding Konijn and Leo I think there may be a connection here.

Gerty wrote:
Reverse Tally R1:
!!!*-Leo-*!!!: PandAboYii -> earliergray -> No Lynch

Gerty wrote:
Reverse Tally R2:
!!!*-Leo-*!!!: Ultor -> Ish -> Ultor -> Ish
Konijn: Ish


You mention a connection on me and Konijn where i voted as the 2nd on Ish and Konijn as the 5th...i also said its just a "gut feeling" i never said anything to it why, bcs i would have no answer for it, i said that too "I don't know why"...maybe i took that feeling if Konijn got hospitalized and in the most games it happend he've been a villager.
But i can't say for real for which team he plays, he posted not enough.

What i don't get is why you all put fingers on all who are active in the game while some smart guys hide as mafia with no real posting to get not seen as mafia or to not be readable.
Pandas last post didn't convinced me in any form, so does Liens post not...but if they play that game like that, what is a very ez pz playstyle and if we all would play like that, i think we would have 10post at all and more not. But mostly we villagers Need to post tons of shit to get the trust of each other villager friend and to see later on a small excuse post "i was busy" that they hided anything as mafia. I only deffended one time for that one player in the game and that was Lien, because i know she have/had a work with many hours and i saw as i told it she handled all applications...and who would have the Motivation after typing that much like she had to, to go in a mafia game read all posts and type then more again. But now after she said she have 2 Free days i have my eyes definitely on her.

@Pr0Gr4mm4
I'm still waiting for a post from you with some thoghts or ideas who is suspicious for you...im not sure 3 rounds no vote but not modkilled right now, what would let me think you used some night Actions maybe as mafia and thats why you don't get modkilled.

Or im completly wrong and in this game is no modkilling???

@Lien after you have more time now, what a about to share some of your thinking so far to the game???

@POOO
I think there is not all wrong on what Konijn said, it really took you so long to vote Ish, i thought too and was sure that Ultor is/was mafia, and holding your vote on him at the point where emziek claimed his role made no sense for me. More it put you in a bad light. I think a bit that you maybe hoped some players would follow you then in the next round if you put that vote as a im stubborn i know Ultor is mafia on him. Maybe i read you wrong and you are a mafia one and want Ultor lynched if he came to close to you with his thoughts and analysis...i thought and trusted you long time that you must be one of us villagers, specially if Ultor tried to trick us both, but that not trusting Emziek and following him with his lynch vote if he was in my eyes confirmed Journalist, let me have a bethink of your allignment (village) now.

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#228 (ISO #35)  Re: [R3 ends 21 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Emziek wrote:
!!!*-Leo-*!!! wrote:
But i can't say for real for which team he plays, he posted not enough.

What i don't get is why you all put fingers on all who are active in the game while some smart guys hide as mafia with no real posting to get not seen as mafia or to not be readable.

:facepalm: Leo you contradict yourself within 2 sentences after one another.


I explained that i have only a gut feeling on him about the hospitalization and mentioned in a post later that i think there are guys that dont post that much have surely mafia guys between them (as i said too i can't say for which team Konijn play for real)...my gut feeling is a feeling not a logical move i used on him.

I don't see there a contradiction to be honest.

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#230 (ISO #36)  Re: [R3 ends 21 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Only some thoughts for the others:

I found some moves from Ultor.

1) He voted for lawliet sure it was at the beginning of the game but which team played Lawliet = villagers
2) His next vote was on Crispo out of "self protection" but which team played Crispo = villagers
3) It tooks Ultor so long to trust Emziek's Journalist claim to follow him with the vote on Ish but which team played Ish = mafia
4) He mentioned that Lien can not play for the same team like Ish do and that by his ISO on Ish, so Ish = mafia, Lien then other team = villager...and guess who he want to put our votes on = Lien (maybe village)

Here is his post he made on Ish:

@Ish
Looking at ISO #5, Ish seems to follow this technique which is informative for the village but also persuasive in the same time. Basically what he's doing is trying inform the village of how the roles work while also demanding of what to do when you have that role. I'm not able to have a conclusive answer based on this behaviour but for now I'm slightly starting to think that you're a mafia. Also, since he voted against Lien on ISO #13, we know that those two aren't on the same team.

Ultors words too:
We don't have much information about ko9 which is why I suggest lynching Lien next round.

Is that not a contraduction then too??? Voting on Lien but not on K09???

And i still remember how hardly he tried to push me to vote on Lien out of my "self protection" and said all other would be dumb. If im not wrong Lien had already 2 votes on her and with my she would had lead the lynch vote with 3 then and maybe got lynched.
I honestly don't know for which team Lien play and i wont deffend her with that, i try more to show how Ultor want to put our votes on her and that if no one knows anythin from her in the game. But Konijn is not on his FoS, why???


And i still remember i voted after Emziek on Ish, what shows some kind of being trustable villager in my opinion too.
That Ultor is proven as "not suspicious" doesn't say he is 100% villager, still the scenario can excist that he can be the godfather and had nothin to lose if he knowed that he get peeked by emziek maybe (what actually happend) and get seen as "not suspicious".

Also he was in so a good contact to SiX...and it was readable that SiX must be the HM..so often Ultor said he have a HM claim..what he showed in the screenshots with SiX...after Six died or before SiX died he switched tho the point that SiX can be the SK too, what made no sense for me if SiX was so trustable for him. On this point i don't see why he had a bethink then to trust SiX at all.

Now he put his FoS on HATER as SK...he jump so much arround, what surely can lead that he do a lot for the village, but why he never had any eye for real on the AFK's too (Konijn didn't said much too and he deffend him)...maybe there sit his mates and follow his nice plan (if he is the godfather) on which one they should use their night action???
And those AFK's didn't had to vote for real since we villager lynched our own mates, only not after Emziek made his nice move to make his role public and we got one lynched = Ish = mafia.

Sry if this long post confuse much, but hopefully you see what i meant at all, that i still have the feeling that Ultor play for the mafia team and try to let all focus on me since im his strongest enemy.

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#234 (ISO #37)  Re: [R4 ends 23 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Well now you convinced me that Lien played the same game style like in all her games before. I didn't knowed anything of it because i never played with her a game before to have a opinion on that.

The good thing is we have 3 proven and trustable villagers = Emziek, Ultor and HATER and if we play it good we can easy win this game for our town.
Right now im very tired to let my thoughts turn arround, i would appreciate if one or all 3 of you come with good ideas on who we should vote now. That you are now 100% proven villager is good Ultor, so i finally can stop to re read all of your post to find out why you fought so hard against me and I still didn't get why you didn't trusted Emziek after his claim and no one else claimed his role.

As i said im very tired now slept only 5 hours but my thoughts for now are:
Pandaboyii definitely the sniper, because as he said he is new to this game and the sniper shot didn't get used what explain his AFK'ing. If im not wrong i saw Programma sometimes ingame here but he hadn't much to post if you look on his ISO...so i tend to think he is the SK (no votes but using his power), but also POOO can be the SK for the reason that the SK was active and used his power every round.

I think the SK have not really a chance to win this game so i think it is better to get the sniper killed before he wakeup and use his power so i'll go for now with my vote on Panda. I'll change it if you have better ideas.
[vote PandAboYii]

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#237 (ISO #38)  Re: [R4 ends 23 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Since you still think im mafia Ultor and i dont get it. I need to vote on POOO if you think he is mafia. I think more he is the SK but that makes no different we will win the game.

[vote POOOO]

For you HATER and Emziek idc if you vote on me...If i get lynched and you see im villager then finally you know who are the last enemys.

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#238 (ISO #39)  Re: [R4 ends 23 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
I took one thing in my mind and i hope Emziek peeked me, to see that im not mafia.
I'm not sure im wrong, but what is if i get lynch voted and i am the last not proven villager. Also the SK use his kill on the wrong person/room and kill a villager too...wouldn't that mean 2 mafia, 2 villagers and the SK left and so the mafia would win this game???
Im confused atm if i try to find the SK and the mafia ones.

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#245 (ISO #40)  Re: [R4 ends 23 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
As i said now im the SK?
I said way much more (per steam chat) to you Ultor that i didn't get that room switch and that i remember a PM in which room 6 or 11 stands and is it not also possible that the real SK switched his room with mine (that said wayward in his post about the roles: > One player per room. The two players who can move people between rooms operate on a swap mentality - i.e. if A is moved to B's room, B will be moved to A's room) or that SiX switched me before he died?
As i told you too if i would be the SK why i didn't tried to kill Emziek or you as my strongest enemy since the game started? (@Ultor)

Well nvm the mafia can win the game if you dont re read all, even if it looks like that im Mafia or SK.

@Emziek i saw you posted at the time i typed this post and sure it is my fault but i dont remember it anymore...i made the fault to Focus more on which team each player plays and the roles who can everyone have and didn't took care enough to look at the rooms i get or in which one i am..it wasn't important for me if i can't do anything about it if i get switched. And to be honest i thought too im in room nr. 10.
But i think im in room 6 (maybe 9 if it was like 6) or 11.
I know not really helpful but can't say more and im sry if i failed with that for us villagers :(

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#259 (ISO #41)  Re: [R4 ends 23 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
I won't try to convince one anymore. And i won't admit anything.

As i can see i will die this round and it is okay.
I agree on Konijns post that i would never agree to given screenshots of my PM (role) away, that is just dumb to ask for that as a evidence Ultor and it kinda sucks. That mean Emziek as the one who got shown as a 100% villager after Ish died, could ask all allive players for a screenshot of his PM they took from the host.
And also in my opinion that this game need screenshots of/or anything to win this game is ridiculous and take my fun to be honest. And that i say as one player that normally like this game and not is butthurt or anything like that. Try to read others with their post or see some excuses or lies in posts was what've been funny for me not who make the best screenies of all like "POOO and I said this or that" look in the screenshot of convo. It is not the first time that for such things 2 mates of the same team died. But it doesn't matter i won't participate more in this game if the rules doesn't get clearly changed.
And a little bit i think this WW or mafia game died in the past tense if players joined in the game and stayed mostly AFK and for the reason that the game is messed up on things that sound not plausible for the game.
The guys that got busy and had to be AFK i understand, real life can't tell us what will happen in the future.

I'm really sorry if it sounds like im sulky,sad or mad but thats not true. I have/had many fun in this games and hope you all will/had it too.
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#262 (ISO #42)  Re: [R4 ends 23 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
Ultor wrote:
My recent chatlog with Leo:

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strande65: is that allowed?
Ultor: i think so
Ultor: screenshot is not
strande65: well im not sure im allowed to do it..i will ask him before i do it
Ultor: its allowed
Ultor: but not screenshot
Ultor: I did the same thing for last game
Ultor: i asked six
strande65: okay let me see how i can do it and you should ask that question poo too to see his role
Ultor: six said he doesnt know
Ultor: ask the host
Ultor: what was the most recent thing u said to poo?
strande65: i cant find the role post..i think i delted it...yes im mafia i know...to poo i didn't talked i only called him mafia today in the server and he said nah, so i called him SK then and he didn't said anything more
Ultor: so u admit ur a mafia?
strande65: nah but i know how stubborn you are and if i can't find my evidence for you...what chance i have that you trust me?
Ultor: ok lol this aint gonna help u
Ultor: you didnt delete it, u just dont know how to fake it
strande65: i never would fake anything
strande65: i hold my folder small as i can
strande65: have only the things in it where i told the admins things to back it up


Basically he started begging me to not lynch him. I asked him to give me his role PM. He said he deleted it and some silly reasons like "i hold my folder small as i can".

RIP Leo, mafia scum!


As i said asking for that is ridicoulus in my eyes, so could Emziek do it too after he got shown as proven villager.
How you wanna fake a host post (for your role)?

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#268 (ISO #43)  Re: [R5 ends 25 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
GGWP all and a wonderful death i took WaywardVole, thanks for that :D

Have fun all and good luck !!!

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#288 (ISO #44)  Re: [R6 ends 27 July, 23:59 EST] Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
GERTY wrote:
Lynch Tally:
PandAboYii - 2 - HATER, POOOOO
No Vote - 3 - !!!*_Uncle-Leo_*!!!, PandAboYii, Ultor

Expected LHLV Lynch: PandAboYii
Total: 5 living players.


Reverse Tally:
POOOOO: PandAboYii
HATER: PandAboYii


Inactive Voters: !!!*_Uncle-Leo_*!!! (2 rounds)

Voting History:
Spoiler: show
R5: Lynch Tally:
Pr0Gr4mm4 - 3 - POOOOO, HATER, Ultor
POOOOO - 2 - Pr0Gr4mm4, PandAboYii
No Vote - 1 - !!!*_Uncle-Leo_*!!!

Expected LHLV Lynch: Pr0Gr4mm4
Total: 6 living players.


Reverse Tally:
Pr0Gr4mm4: POOOOO
Ultor: POOOOO -> No Vote -> Pr0Gr4mm4 -> PandAboYii -> Pr0Gr4mm4 -> POOOOO -> Pr0Gr4mm4
POOOOO: Pr0Gr4mm4
HATER: Pr0Gr4mm4
PandAboYii: POOOOO


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R4: Lynch Tally:
POOOOO - 2 - !!!*_Uncle-Leo_*!!!, Pr0Gr4mm4
Pr0Gr4mm4 - 1 - POOOOO
No Vote - 4 - PandAboYii, Ultor, Emziek, HATER

Expected LHLV Lynch: POOOOO
Total: 7 living players.


Reverse Tally:
Pr0Gr4mm4: POOOOO
POOOOO: Pr0Gr4mm4
!!!*_Uncle-Leo_*!!!: PandAboYii -> POOOOO


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R3: Lynch Tally:
Konijn - 2 - Emziek, HATER
Ultor - 1 - POOOOO
POOOOO - 1 - Konijn
Pr0Gr4mm4 - 1 - !!!*_Uncle-Leo_*!!!
No Vote - 4 - Pr0Gr4mm4, Lien~, PandAboYii, Ultor

Expected LHLV Lynch: Konijn
Total: 9 living players.


Reverse Tally:
POOOOO: Ultor
HATER: Konijn
!!!*_Uncle-Leo_*!!!: Ultor -> Pr0Gr4mm4 -> Ultor -> Pr0Gr4mm4
Emziek: Konijn
Konijn: POOOOO


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R2: Lynch Tally:
Ish - 7 - Emziek, !!!*_Uncle-Leo_*!!!, HATER, Ultor, Konijn, Lien~, POOOOO
Emziek - 1 - Ish
Lien~ - 1 - SiX
No Vote - 2 - Pr0Gr4mm4, PandAboYii

Expected LHLV Lynch: Ish
Total: 11 living players.


Reverse Tally:
Ultor: Ish
Lien~: Ish
Ish: Lien~ -> Emziek
POOOOO: No Lynch -> Ultor -> Ish
HATER: SiX -> Ish
!!!*_Uncle-Leo_*!!!: Ultor -> Ish -> Ultor -> Ish
SiX: Lien~
Emziek: Ish
Konijn: Ish


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R1: Lynch Tally:
CrisP0 - 4 - Ish, SiX, POOOOO, Ultor
Ultor - 4 - Lawliet, Emziek, Pr0Gr4mm4, HATER
No Lynch - 3 - Lien~, earliergray, !!!*_Uncle-Leo_*!!!
No Vote - 3 - Konijn, PandAboYii, CrisP0

Expected LHLV Lynch: CrisP0
Total: 14 living players.


Reverse Tally:
Lawliet: Ish -> Ultor
Pr0Gr4mm4: Ultor
Ultor: Lawliet -> CrisP0
Lien~: No Lynch
Ish: CrisP0
earliergray: No Lynch
POOOOO: SiX -> No Vote -> CrisP0
HATER: Ultor
!!!*_Uncle-Leo_*!!!: PandAboYii -> earliergray -> No Lynch
SiX: CrisP0
Emziek: Lawliet -> No Vote -> Ultor


Final Vote History:
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HATER: No Vote -> Ultor -> Ish -> Konijn -> No Vote -> Pr0Gr4mm4
Lawliet: No Vote -> Ultor -> Incapacitated -> Incapacitated -> Incapacitated -> Incapacitated
Emziek: No Vote -> Ultor -> Ish -> Konijn -> No Vote -> Incapacitated
CrisP0: No Vote -> No Vote -> Incapacitated -> Incapacitated -> Incapacitated -> Incapacitated
Ish: No Vote -> CrisP0 -> Emziek -> Incapacitated -> Incapacitated -> Incapacitated
Ultor: No Vote -> CrisP0 -> Ish -> No Vote -> No Vote -> Pr0Gr4mm4
PandAboYii: No Vote -> No Vote -> No Vote -> No Vote -> No Vote -> POOOOO
POOOOO: No Vote -> CrisP0 -> Ish -> Ultor -> Pr0Gr4mm4 -> Pr0Gr4mm4
SiX: No Vote -> CrisP0 -> Lien~ -> Incapacitated -> Incapacitated -> Incapacitated
!!!*_Uncle-Leo_*!!!: No Vote -> No Lynch -> Ish -> Pr0Gr4mm4 -> POOOOO -> No Vote
Lien~: No Vote -> No Lynch -> Ish -> No Vote -> Incapacitated -> Incapacitated
earliergray: No Vote -> No Lynch -> Incapacitated -> Incapacitated -> Incapacitated -> Incapacitated
Konijn: Incapacitated -> Incapacitated -> Ish -> POOOOO -> Incapacitated -> Incapacitated
Pr0Gr4mm4: No Vote -> Ultor -> No Vote -> No Vote -> POOOOO -> POOOOO


Players:
Spoiler: show
01: HATER
02: Lawliet - Shot R1
03: Emziek - Survived shot R1, Shot R4
04: CrisP0 - Lynched R1
05: Ish - Lynched R2
06: Ultor
07: PandAboYii
08: POOOOO
09: SiX - Stabbed R2
10: !!!*_Uncle-Leo_*!!!
11: Lien~ - Shot R3
12: earliergray - Stab R1
13: Konijn - Injured R0, Lynched R3
14: Pr0Gr4mm4 - Lynched R5


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Oh im not dead? I vote Konijn :)

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#294 (ISO #45)  Re: Mafia XXXI: L'Hôtel de la Mort
GG all, congratz villagers. Thanks for hosting this funny game Waywardvole and the effort you put in to it.

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