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#19 (ISO #1)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
Shesh it has been too long, time to take some rust of it

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#40 (ISO #2)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
All Right! lessdotis

It's been some time, I might be rusty but we'll see how this goes..

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#42 (ISO #3)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
SiX wrote:
I visited HATER's house last night, and besides the fact that he owned a big mansion with tons of concubines attending him, he also smelled of cigar and vodka. On his walls hung weapons, which to me, seemed kind of real. After all, there were traces of gunpowder on the ground. In his backyard, there were some weird and scary people in black costumes. They cursed and raged, truly a bad company. And when I saw them, they tipped their hats and gave me the death stare. But ye know, while I questioned his lifestyle, I thought to myself that anybody could live like this. Just because he has some bad hobbies doesn't make him a bad guy, right? But you see, that's where I was mistaken. Because all of a sudden he whispered in my ears: "This is my mansion." I didn't understand what he meant at first. But he continued... "It's all over now..." As he left through the window into the dark forest, I understood completely well what kind of person HATER was. I therefore encourage everyone to:

[Vote HATER]

Because it's never over.

I don't know what kind of weed he's been smoking... but I want a piece of it.

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#72 (ISO #4)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
In my point of view, Six didn't get in contact with the Host. It is obvious. And the host countered six's possible confirmation as a town villager. In this instance I honestly believe that Six was and is being fully honest on this. He dared to vote guys. I believe it's good enough reason trust him, even if not fully. At the very least it shows where his alignment lies

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#75 (ISO #5)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
!!!*-Leo-*!!! wrote:
NumBle wrote:
In my point of view, Six didn't get in contact with the Host. It is obvious. And the host countered six's possible confirmation as a town villager. In this instance I honestly believe that Six was and is being fully honest on this. He dared to vote guys. I believe it's good enough reason trust him, even if not fully. At the very least it shows where his alignment lies


Mafia friend detected ;)

I would say if six got killed an we see then he was a Mafia guy we should go with our next vote for numble then =)

Hey Leo, what if Six flips villager?

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#78 (ISO #6)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
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SiX - 6 - !!!*-Leo-*!!!, Ultor, Ish, Sticky, CrisP0, #BlameItOnLeon
HATER - 1 - SiX
Apekiller - 1 - Hater

Expected Lynch : SiX


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#85 (ISO #7)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
Ultor wrote:
I encourage the doctor to protect me as I have revealed certain information which will get me killed.

>Says that he revealed something that will get him killed
>asks publicly for a doc protection.

Genius.

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#87 (ISO #8)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
Kontra I give you a solid 5 outta 7

@Host: Would everyone be informed if the doc sucessfully protected someone? I find odd the nonexistence of a nightkill

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#90 (ISO #9)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
I say we lynch hater.

His statistics don't add up. We're talking about Six here. He hosted plenty of games where you, hater, were both mafia and village. If you knew Six, you'd know that he actually pays attention to how everyone plays the game.
You change your vote last minute to apekiller so you could avoid having the blood of Six dripping in your hands.

We both know that Six plays better than that Hater. You got baited hard and you fell for it.

On another note, you all have no reason to believe that I'm village besides being THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS STANDING AGAINST THE LYNCH ON SIX. It can count for nothing. It can count for everything.

Vote Tally:
Hater - 1 - Numble

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#99 (ISO #10)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
HATER wrote:
1. On SiX's lynch

First off, I was the /first/ vote on SiX. I didn't "hop on" a bandwagon -- I placed my vote, and then left to work for 10-12 hours because that is what my job entails.

I did not intend to start a bandwagon -- I simply placed the first vote and left. I'd like to remind everyone that I have only a very limited timeframe in which I can take actions in the evening before I go to bed (IRL).

Yeah you were the first one to vote six, you pretty much created the bandwagon on him.

When I came back during a short lunch break, I saw that a bandwagon had formed. I don't like R1 bandwagons because...


2. Purpose of R1 lynch


In the first round of the game we have very ittle information about anyone. It's quite likely that any round 1 lynch will invariably end with a dead villager (in fact, ~93% of all round 1 lynches in past games have ended with a villager or neut being lynched).


Considering the people on R0 were already really active I don't think this applies. There was a lot of info circuling around (even if only villager claims who, according to Hater, are useless). Thing is, Hater, you forget that the way people claim can be a way to find out their real alignment. A lot of convo, provides lot of hints and probably slip ups if people are not careful enough, Taking into account that some people here are pretty new I'd point on this as a highly possible reason.

Now, some of you, especially new players, may be thinking "This is terrible! Why do we ever vote on round 1? We should always vote No Lynch if there is such a high chance of lynching a villager!"

I don't think new players would think that considering what happened next round... but let's continue.

And you'd be technically right! That's some solid reasoning, except one thing:

Round 1 lynch is really never about actually lynching mafia -- it's about gaining information about players' alignments through their voting habits.

Oh please, Hater we've played countless games where R1 lynch gave us nothing but discarding vanillagers.

If everyone voted no lynch on round one, we'd have little information to gather because literally everyone would vote the same thing. It tells us absolutely nothing.

That is correct. But then again we'd gather 0 info about the villager if they lynched the same person.

...which is also the reason why a massive bandwagon (a la the one on SiX) is very unproductive -- we get no info from it.

Well... no. This does provide plenty of hints. Specially on who started the bandwagon, followed by who followed that person with shit reasons and what not.

Again, I work extremely long hours in the summer (at a camp with kids that I have to take care of, teach, occupy, etc all day). If I could have changed my vote sooner I would, as it was becoming apparent to me quickly that SiX probably wasn't mafia-- but more importantly, that the town wasn't going to get any INFORMATION from lynching him.

"Let's feed the villager with some bullshit and hope they are dumb enough to believe it" - Typical Hater

Hence, I changed my vote as fast as I could. I am sorry if this was not fast enough to stop the wagon, but keep in mind that I NEVER encouraged a wagon in the first place. I placed my OWN vote, gave my own reasoning. That was it.

No, you changed your vote in hopes that people would disregard the fact you started the bandwagon. Six's play was smart enough for you to go uber-agressive on him assuring he'd and get lynch. Except it failed and you're to blame.

And futhermore -- when I came back, I actively asked people to NOT lynch SiX. Granted, there were only about 2-3 hours left until lynch, but that was the earliest I could respond, and I hoped that would give enough people time to respond.

Did you now? Like who? Who can support this part of Hater's typical Wall of Text.



3. Regarding my reasoning on SiX's death


(If I'm 100% honest, I don't terribly mind that SiX died-- what I'm more annoyed at is that we didn't get any useful info from his death as stated above)

Yeah you aren't annoyed that Six died, because you know he's a base good player all around but he's balsy. On that note, he did get lynched because of a balsy play. Funny he actually commented that either you or K9 who shut down his plan...

@numble: You do realize that even if you were "sticking up for him" in text, you didn't place a vote at all that round:

Quote:
no vote - 5 - Konijn(injured), Apekiller, zapt0r, NumBle, Lo Tus



-- and if you had already placed a vote by the time I made my second post, I probably would have changed my vote to your target instead of changing it to apekiller (who was the most strangely afk person I could think of at the time).

That is true, I did not vote. You see, Hater, what I had to do on R1 was simply backup Six. Because the bandwagon was formed already with 6 people on top of it. Even if I voted someone else, it wouldn't save Six from getting Lynched.


It doesn't take a genius to know that a decent mafia team would never have let this bandwagon get started on SiX if he was a mafia -- there was way too much sheeping going on for SiX to actually be mafia, and I think most of you can see that now.

Hey! Look at that, he actually used a bit of his brain.

tl;r: I was legitimately trying to save SiX -- not because I felt that he was particularly useful to the town (or good at the game in general, really lmfao!), but because having a gigantic bandwagon on him gave the town absolutely no info.

Bullshit, Hater you're cappable of changing everyone's mind at your will. You're one of the best WW players currently active and you always have scapegoats with everyone even if it implies bullying them to change.


4. Where we go from here:


Well, that's the million-dollar question, isn't it?

Nope. 2 cent question cuz everyone knows the answer.

It's very likely that a couple of wolves (at least) were in the SiX bandwagon. Wolves love to blend in by "sheeping" (blindly following bandwagons). They place down a vote, don't give much reasoning at all (or just say "lol I agree with x" @ the person whose vote they're copying). As I look past through the posts between my initial vote on six and me changing my vote, I see a lot of posts like this:

Well hater, as you said it yourself "Round 1 lynch is really never about actually lynching mafia -- it's about gaining information about players' alignments through their voting habits."

StickySteez wrote:
I don't really have a opinion right now, didn't really spoke to people so i'll just follow the flow

SiX - 5 - HATER, !!!*-Leo-*!!!, Ultor, Ish, Sticky
HATER - 1 - SiX



CrisP0 wrote:
i fully agree with ultor, SiX seems the most suspicious person.
[vote SiX]



#BlameItOnLeon wrote:

LOL. I just wake up bro. Well, I can't say much because it's too early. But for what I've read I can't trust 100% Six. So i'll go for it and let's see what happen

[vote SiX]



...just to name a few.

Why don't you name them all and let's give them a background check... The people you mentioned seem to me that they were AFK, and caught the game on the last minute. I'm gonna go ahead and say they wanted to avoid a warning.

All of these are somewhat suspicious, but I'll choose one to start out with: crisp0 -- mainly because he seems to be following the SAME sheeping strategy this round (and on me this time!):
CrisP0 wrote:
i'm gonna vote for hater this time as he tried to get six dead but he changed his vote to apekiller in the last minutes without giving any reason.
[vote Hater]



While it's not a complete reason, it surely is a good part of the main reason you're getting lynched.

So, I'll kick this off with a [vote crisp0].


I hope my post clears up some things for you all. I will probably not be online much tomorrow again (traveling to Tampa to teach at a different camp location).










---------------------------------------------------------
BONUS FACT CHECKING:

@SiX(deceased): Honestly, I really didn't want to lynch you after I came back during lunch -- you should learn not to discredit people who are actually trying to help you.

@numble: SiX has hosted a whopping total of exactly 7 games, 5 of which I've even played in. I've compiled a comprehensive list of them just so you and everyone else can see just how much "past experience" SiX has with me:

Doesn't really matter to be honest. You're forgetting the "Finished games" section. I remember talking to Six once and telling me that he was checking the finished games sections for clues on playplans that people come up. Even if you keep supporting that your "statistics" are correct.



List of games SiX has hosted (total 7):

Key:

Red = HATER didn't play (2 games)

Orange = HATER played but was village (3 games)

Yellow = HATER started out village, was killed by the mafia and was revived and converted by the mafia team 1 round before the game ended (1 game)

Green = HATER started mafia, and was randomly shot by a vigilante in the first round (1 game)

Spoiler: show
Werewolf XXII: Triple Trouble
Hosts: SiX
Winners: UnwaveringGrey, MMage, French Connections, Konijn, cml, katCrusader, KyraTrebon, Styx
Losers: NumBle, Rainboy, Lien~, Ricky Rio, machoZeroSkillz, Royal Toon, ishali


Witch Hunt VI: Who Betrays the Betrayer?
Hosts: SiX
Winners: .Cell., ishali, Konijn
Losers: Lien~, Saint Emz, NumBle, cml, Flath, Lawliet, Mystic, JTc, StickySteez








Mafia XVII: The Blackmail
Hosts: Rainboy, SiX
Winners: SenSei, Queijo Da Serra, Styx, Mati, Maltazard, Tomato
Losers: Karn, ~Veghan<3, Big H, Dangan, HATER, Kaitokid, Unownist, Saint Emz, Shadi, Antti, dannie340, Mystic, Big H, cml, H2O, Maki, DTGM, NumBle

Mafia XXII: Who's the Killer?
Hosts: SiX
Winners: cml, Flath, Mystic
Losers: Big H, NumBle, Lien~, Unownist, HATER, machoZeroSkillz, Thor, katCrusader, Saint Emz, ARSENIC, Rainboy, Wertydoo, Dangan, Blaze



Mafia XXVII: The Handymen
Hosts: SiX
Winners: ishali, NumBle
Losers: StickySteez, HATER, Lawliet, Hydra, Saint Emz, machoZeroSkillz, JTc, katCrusader









Witch Hunt IV: Armageddon
Hosts: SiX
Winners: HATER, Rainboy, MMage
Losers: NumBle, Mystic, Dangan, Big H, Ricky Rio, H2O, Shadi, Maki, Unownist, French Connections, Blaze






Mafia XIX: The Corruption
Hosts: SiX
Winners: HATER, Lien~, Big H, Unownist, Karn, Styx
Losers: nBi, Rainboy, Dangan, Juni0r, machoZeroSkillz, Jumps7yl3r, Maltazard, Shadi, Akfny, ~Veghan<3, Mystic, SenSei, cml, NumBle, French Connections, RazoR', Saint Emz, Maki




@Numble: 5 games is not hosting "tons" of games with me and considering that out of the two games I was mafia in that he's hosted, I was mafia for exactly 1 round in each of them...I think it's safe to say SiX was full of shit on that point, lol.


5 games is enough to have an idea on how people play. be it shitless or properly or whatever. It's more than enought to realize some key frames of a gameplay.

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#102 (ISO #11)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
Ultor wrote:
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Well it would be a good time to hear some of your proofs that he is innocent, before we "maybe" go for a lynch-vote on the next "maybe" villager !!!
Maybe you succeded with your post too that we all need to think you are innocent between us villagers, tell me something of your thoughts im interested in them.


I'm not entirely sure what info did you spread there. Honest, I see nothing worthwhile

I've revealed this info to few trusted people, its not wise to release them publicly as they would put important roles in danger. I was really hoping that SiX would turn out to be a mafia but now I'm not very sure about whether HATER is a villager or not.

>Was really hoping that Si would turn out to be Mafia when it was certain that he was Villager.
>Almost completely disregards Hater's post on how Hater wanted to save Six.


We seriously need the tracker and the watcher to find each other, and the deputy to group up with them. The doctor did a good job on protecting the right person (if there was a nightkill), we can just hope that he plays his next move carefully. As for AFKs, I would be really disappointed if Apekiller had an important village role and he gets modkilled.

At least he's seeying eye to eye with me on this. It is of utmost urgency that the villager roles find each other.

Now as for individual people:

@Konijn
The fact that he was injured at the beginning does not make him a villager. As someone mentioned previously, mafia are able hospitalise one of their own so he can be classified as a villager. If I got killed at R2, I suggest to lynch Konijn (most likely to be the Godfather) as he was the only person which I revealed some important information to.

This is actually true but highly unlikely. Odds are 11/12 of K9 being the godfather. He was hospitalized, and to be honest it seems to me that the Mafia wouldn't be smart enough to play this out.

@NumBle
I believe that NumBle have been trying to get rid off HATER since the beginning. Perhaps he plays a very important role and we need to follow him, but by going against HATER, I think he's making a mistake. I actually believe that the reason behind NumBle's persistence against HATER is something related to his role. Perhaps he peeked on HATER as a Don/Deputy and found out his real identity. However, that doesn't help us decide on which side they belong to- this is where we need the watcher and the tracker.

Believe what you will, I only wanted to get rid of Hater the moment he went full piranha on Six. From my PoV six's plan would work completely fine should the big guys (in this case K9 and Hater) understood it. Both of them know Six and know that Six isn't that dumb to play out like that if he was mafia. Now I wanna throw something here. I'm not a power role, I'm a simple villager. Yeah sure you can say "Hurr durr everyone claims villager". But why would I play this aggressively if I was a powerrole? I mean, if I really am a power role I should shut teh fuck up and continue "peeking" people according to Ultor here.(no idea where did you get the idea of me being a peek-ish powerrole).

As for the lynch, mine will remain blank for now until more people reply (especially those AFKs). However if I wanted to vote mine would go against either HATER, Konijn or Crisp0.

Your choices to lynch are quite extremes.. one that we assumed is mafia, one that we assume is villager and then an Afk. Tbh you're being dismissive of the real game imo.

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#113 (ISO #12)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
K0ntRa wrote:
This round will most likely end two hours later than expected, around 11. I apologize for that, but there's a movie on TV (New Moon) I don't wanna miss.

I mean with the current status I think it's safe to assume that we could call for a speedround

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#123 (ISO #13)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
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HATER - 5 - Numble, CrisP0, Konijn, Sticky, Lawliet
Crisp0 - 5 - HATER, Ish, Ultor, Lo Tus, #BlameItOnLeon


Really?? Really.. I can't even....

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#140 (ISO #14)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
HATER wrote:
Ish wrote:
Why would you need Rainboy's objective point of view to avoid a lynch. If you're village no worries, some of the mafia would have voted for you, so we can narrow the search for the mafia. We'll find them out later rounds...The inverse is also true, some of your mafia teammates would vote for Crisp0 if you do flip mafia. So either way we will have narrowed the search.



Okay, I'll come clean here. I didn't want to tell anyone before, obviously, but


It's now become clear that someone on the mafia knows or at least suspects my identity, so I will claim now:

I am the Doctor.


I protected myself last night. I can only assume that I was shot since the mafia did not make a kill.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh wait, you're serious..

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :clap:

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#154 (ISO #15)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
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Ultor - 2 - Ish, Numble


Cuz:

1- you're not the watcher, otherwise you would have known the doc protected me or anything of those sort.
2- I am the deputy, I did indeed peek Hater as Mafia, K9 was my R0 random negative.
3- I'm aware of who is the doc.
4- Tracker and Watcher please contact me.

@host: Can we get awards? All kinds of awards.

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#156 (ISO #16)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
Leo, if you still consider me to be a mafia role at this point of the game, mind me saying this but something is wrong with your head.

As for ultor: He did many mistakes. Claimed to know people had poweroles while those people were either afk or simply weren't that role. There is more than just one case. To me, he said he knew who was the deputy without knowledge that I was in fact the deputy. He also claimed to know other roles which I'd rather not point them out at the moment due to involving people who haven't claimed themselves.

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#158 (ISO #17)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
!!!*-Leo-*!!! wrote:
NumBle wrote:
Leo, if you still consider me to be a mafia role at this point of the game, mind me saying this but something is wrong with your head.

As for ultor: He did many mistakes. Claimed to know people had poweroles while those people were either afk or simply weren't that role. There is more than just one case. To me, he said he knew who was the deputy without knowledge that I was in fact the deputy. He also claimed to know other roles which I'd rather not point them out at the moment due to involving people who haven't claimed themselves.


Bro i said i typed it before you both said anything and was to lazy to take this part out of my written thoughts =)

If you want im 100% sure it is Ultor if you feel better ;)

My bad then, in your post you only mention you had written about Ultor

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#161 (ISO #18)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
#BlameItOnLeon wrote:
How can you be so sure about Ultor? I trusted him so far and to be honest YES he didn't lead me as i wanted to. Yes, he is suspect for sure but i'm not 100% sure. But I still doubt about crisPo even if Hater voted against him. Also, i voted CrisPo too as Leo, Ultor and Ish did. Which means that or one of them is mafia or the last mafia guy played smart and voted for Hater so he can be trustful. Thus, crispo sent me pm on forums and he was trying to convince me that he is innocent. He didn't text me before this vote. Although Ultor texted me from the very first moment of the game. So, to sum up, I'm not sure at all about my vote. I have this feeling that Ultor is "clear". I will wait for more replies and i will post my final vote tomorrow.

Lemme try paint you a pic here for you Voro..

Ultor went around saying that people were X role or that he knew that who was Y role.
This is an obvious Mafia play. To win people's confidence and know truly who is each role following by killing each role.

To me, he claimed to know who was the deputy. I knew he was bullshitting there because at the time not even K9 knew I was the deputy.
Second, he said that Lo tus was the Doc, I can fimly say that, this is not true because I know who's the Doc.
Third, he claims to have watched me and that no one did anything to me, which is a lie because the Doc protected me(the doc couldn't protect K9 therefore his demise).

On another note, I get the feeling you were the one misfeeding Ultor the info about the watcher watching Hater when I peeked him. I've got nothing against you but c'mon play more carefully.

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#169 (ISO #19)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
[vote ultor]

(this is for Gerty)

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#173 (ISO #20)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
All right everybody calm the fuck down

Ultor is confirmed Watcher. I got proof of it.

Now I have my doubt about our last mafia.

Cripo has been afk through out most of the game voting twice with almost no reason at all.

Voro (Blameitonleon) is a very well fit canidate to be our last mafia as well.

Stickysteez is awfully quiet. He's experienced in these games before but he can be conidered a mafia too

I'll remember you all that HATER said that the mafia's were afk!



Finally I urge you all to [unvote] Ultor.
I won't be online through out most of the day. Good luck villagers.

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#192 (ISO #21)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
In my point of view we can rule out Lotus cuz at this point she doesn't care about the game anymore.

I'm actually trusting apekiller cuz the moment K9 talked with him he immediately switched his vote on Hater. Although there can be many doubts here. Mafia lynching mafia is a thing that can happen.

As for Crisp0 and StickySteez I've got no clue. I haven't talked to any of them nor they have been properly active.

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#203 (ISO #22)  Re: Mafia XXVIII: Revenge
GG everyone.

@Host: well do we get to point out best/worst players and what not? That's always fun to read.

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